Full Disclosure and Public Apology, Regarding T206 Reproductions Sold on Ebay in Feb.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Corporal Lance Boil

I guess I don't understand. Actions have consequences. This young man made a conscientious effort to deceive, for financial profit. Not only that, but he is technically under his parent's jurisdiction, yes? He made an effort to deceive people of their hard earned money, their time, and their love of collecting. I have no idea why his continued presence here would be justifiable.

Ban.
Tony

He is going on a year, formal hiatus after today.

[iwantitiwinit]

Disappointing. In the future when asking for advice on card matters via PM you can keep the "blessings and thanks" for someone else. No excuse for this kind of stuff but time will tell, hopefully we will see a positive change, good luck to you.



Also, I just noticed you started a thread on jan 2 2018 (which you edited in late March) looking for UZIT backs and I'm starting to think there is more to this story (I just cut and pasted it here).........

I would be thrilled to pick up my 1st Uzit, Broad Leaf, or Red Hindu this weekend!
Any condition, any front, any price.

I can add cash to a trade deal or add trade to a cash deal.

Photos, PMs, emails work, too


Blessings in reminder of the Savior who gave His life for us this Easter weekend,

NJ

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Corporal Lance Boil

I guess I don't understand. Actions have consequences. This young man made a conscientious effort to deceive, for financial profit. Not only that, but he is technically under his parent's jurisdiction, yes? He made an effort to deceive people of their hard earned money, their time, and their love of collecting. I have no idea why his continued presence here would be justifiable.

Ban.


Tony

I believe his Confession would have been better done in church rather than the board.

[richardcards]

Sadden to hear about n j.
He sold me this Magee and it's my favorite t206 and I
am happy with it.
Best of luck
Richard

[iwantitiwinit]

Hmmmm.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by richardcards

Sadden to hear about n j.
He sold me this Magee and it's my favorite t206 and I
am happy with it.
Best of luck
Richard

Anyone else thinking what I am?

[Bpm0014]

Really sad to hear of this. We have all made mistakes. You seemed like a good dude too. This is a learning experience. Hopefully you come back in a year a better person from this.

[Hxcmilkshake]

Tell me this guy is like 12....certainly acts like it

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[edjs]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Anyone else thinking what I am?

This?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by PowderedH2O

Forgiven dude. Put it in the past. Be a stand up person here from now on and you'll eventually get credibility back. None here can claim to have been 100% honest for their entire lives. It is how you learn and grow from it. Good luck.

I don't see how you'd ever get credibility back after something like this. It's not like he accidentally bought a counterfeit card and unknowingly tried to sell it as an original. An unfortunate aspect of this for me is the fact that he's been reading our complaint threads about fraudulent Ebay sellers and the damage they do this hobby and thought hey that sounds like a good idea, I think I'll give that a try.

[Jewish-collector]

Sometimes you gotta say, "WTF" and admit your guilt.

[npa589]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Bye Felicia

+1

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

all joking aside...it'll be tough to recover from such a flub...but it can be done. Some will never forgive...many others will forget. But It WILL take years of being an upstanding member of society...I mean net54.

Some forgive, some forget and some do both. There is still a poster here that was found to be a member of a neo-nazi website years ago and he just rolls along like it never happened.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Some forgive, some forget and some do both. There is still a poster here that was found to be a member of a neo-nazi website years ago and he just rolls along like it never happened.

I'm sorry that I missed that drama.

[Buythatcard]

Originally Posted by Sean

I'm sorry that I missed that drama.

I missed it also. Is there a link?

[Gradedcardman]

Originally Posted by Sean

I'm sorry that I missed that drama.

Would love to know this person so I can write them off my list of people to do transactions with.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

Would love to know this person so I can write them off my list of people to do transactions with.

Me too

[53Browns]

Yet another reason to reinforce my decision to ONLY collect PSA/SGC slabbed cards. I know the major graders aren't perfect either and can miss one here and there but it's getting to be like the wild west with ungraded items, IMHO.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Some forgive, some forget and some do both. There is still a poster here that was found to be a member of a neo-nazi website years ago and he just rolls along like it never happened.

Was that Jerry Senility?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Leon

Was that Jerry Senility?

Yep

[Leon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Yep

Not a fan but dunno....Don't think he is a skinhead just senile. I know he had visited a site like that. I don't think we want skinheads on this site but I don't think Jerry fits the bill. Like I say, I think he is just senile. That said if anyone has any proof I would love to see it and will act on it.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Leon

Not a fan but dunno....Don't think he is a skinhead just senile. I know he had visited a site like that. I don't think we want skinheads on this site but I don't think Jerry fits the bill. Like I say, I think he is just senile. That said if anyone has any proof I would love to see it and will act on it.

Well, it was 9 years ago, and he was signed up for the website. He claimed it was a "history" site. I don't know how old Jerry is, but even a senile person would find the "history" on that site to be off a bit.

[KMayUSA6060]

NJ's sincerity in this apology should be heavily scrutinized. I have good reason to believe he's only sorry he got caught.

I have a friend in the hobby that noticed something fishy with NJ's eBay listings, and he showed them to me. NJ and I have had some good conversations in the past, as I'm sure many of you have experienced. I reached out to him to see what these fishy listings were about, knowing full well what the intent was. From NJ's presence on here, he always came off as a very passionate individual regarding the hobby, trying to soak up knowledge and really be a positive influence in the community. I knew he wasn't ignorant when it came to fakes, and his listings clearly contained fakes. It angered me, and when I confronted him, his responses pissed me off even more. For full disclosure, I will copy and paste our conversation from February below.

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Kyle May Feb 21 to NJ
Hey NJ,

Are you selling reprints as questionable?

NJ Dunkin Feb 21 to me
Hey Kyle!

Great to hear from you, brother. I actually put up the listings to try and copy the pseudo-legitimate style that so many listers use, but ended up feeling bad and took down as many as I physically could at the end, while bidding up the other two to make sure no one would win them.

Next time I re-list, I've decided to make it much more clear that these are intended to look like old reproductions (although I had listed the cards as "reprints" under that category already.)

It's a fun project to make them and make a few bucks in turn

How have your collecting adventures been? Picked up anything new lately?

Kyle May Feb 21 to NJ
Cut it out. You're better than that. I've always thought highly of you, and from what I know you have a good reputation in the hobby. Don't jeopardize that for a few cheap bucks. You're doing it on a separate account from your main eBay account, which is sketchy as well.

NJ Dunkin Feb 21 to me
Hmm...perhaps you are right. I wouldn't do this to damage my reputation intentionally, but selling "reprints" could be cardboard suicide. I'll give this some thought.

Kyle May Feb 21 to NJ
You're smarter than that, and I think you know why you did this, and that what you did/are doing was/is wrong. You went for the chump change. Of course you didn't purposefully damage your reputation, because you didn't think you'd get caught by selling on your second account. Your emails don't sound very remorseful either, and now I'm seeing a post on Net54 that you're looking for 3 pricey cards? Please tell me you aren't using any profits from this scheme to fund those purchases. Sorry NJ, but something stinks here and I don't like it.

NJ Dunkin Feb 21 to me
Kyle,

I have never done this for easy money or to take a sleazy road. That has never been and never will be my intention. Please hear my heart on this--don't read in to this more than it is.

I'll never sell reprints like this again. I can give you my honest word, I never did this to take advantage of anyone. It was just like crafts in school; I did it for fun in an effort to make intentionally advertised reproductions for display.

The moral ambiguity was a mistake on my part; realizing how foolish that looked only came after I logged in to check the auctions.

I would not want to lose my friendship with you at all, brother. I wouldn't lose it for the world. I really enjoy your company and love our discussions of old cards.

Additionally, if you would like to hear why I asked about those cards on N54 (the expensive ones), I would be happy to explain them to you.

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From what I've seen in his similar conversations with others who have confronted him, he has worked to sculpt his "apology" to open the door as much as possible for forgiveness. Essentially, he's working the angles to avoid the death penalty in the hobby. I wanted to share our conversation because I don't believe there should be much sympathy for him. I know people live by the adage "forgive and forget" but I'm not sure I'll ever forgive, and I sure as hell won't forget.

I have no idea how old he is. I do know that money affects livelihoods. It's criminal what he did, no matter the age, and his knowledge on the situation is well beyond any potential ignorance at his age.

[darwinbulldog]

Surely the simplest explanation is that he endorses the views espoused on the site. Perhaps he's also sending his savings to Nigerian princes and to people selling raw T206 Wagners on eBay or something, but being senile doesn't make you racist. It might make you less careful about revealing your racism, but that's a separate issue.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Well, it was 9 years ago, and he was signed up for the website. He claimed it was a "history" site. I don't know how old Jerry is, but even a senile person would find the "history" on that site to be off a bit.

He denied being one. Not every single member of our 9000+ members collect cards....But if someone saw they were a member here at a primarily card forum, they might assume they were a collector of cards. But it's not always the case.

Back to NJ. I really hope he learns from this. I wish I had learned some life-skills things when I was younger. Learning the hard way is difficult.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I can't understand why, if he bid the lots up to make sure nobody else won them due to remorse, he then opened the unpaid item cases. And as a seller, can't you always cancel your own listing even if there are bids on it?

[ullmandds]

Another good reason to avoid collecting T206...no one messes with caramels!!!!!

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Leon

He denied being one. Not every single member of our 9000+ members collect cards....But if someone saw they were a member here at a primarily card forum, they might assume they were a collector of cards. But it's not always the case.

I didn't buy his explanation then and I certainly don't forget or forgive when it comes to something like that. NOBODY could ever read a single thread on that site and come to the conclusion that it's a good place to read up on history. I think maybe you should go back and read the thread. And sorry that I've sidetracked this thread (you can thank me in a year Mr Dunkin), but that's the first thing that pops in my head every single time I see him post here.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by njdunkin1

Net54 members and all,


Before I communicate the following words, I wanted to let you know that this is NJ Dunkin, posting regarding a mistake I made a few weeks’ past. I made some counterfeit T206 reproductions to sell on eBay, but instead of making clear that these were fakes, I made the area of authenticity very gray. I recognize this as immoral, deceptive, and misleading.

Here is a link to one of the four auctions in question:

Abbatchio Uzit

I seek forgiveness for three things:
1) My actions were wrong. I recognize this and apologize for it.
2) I was confronted about this on Facebook (Tobacco Row) and stretched the truth in order to paint myself in a better light. I seek forgiveness for deceiving Facebook and board members alike.
3) I should have posted this publicly as soon as it happened, yet I delayed in posting to try and preserve my self-image and reputation.

I realize that this whole situation and how I handled it was wrong, and that I have no excuse for my actions.

I have reserved post #2 for the full details of the story. I wrote this out about a week ago. The details of the story below are the truth, but you do not have to read them or even read further than this sentence. I know the last thing I deserve is your forgiveness, but I felt led to communicate this to you knowing that it was wrong to carry on without associating myself publicly with my actions.

Thank you to the board and Facebook members for the encouragement to take this step.

Noah "NJ" Dunkin

My only question is, were all the cards listed like the one in the link? That one clearly says it is a reprint.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

My only question is, were all the cards listed like the one in the link? That one clearly says it is a reprint.

Not really. It says being sold as a reprint per ebay rules, but then he invites people to conclude otherwise by posting a scan of an authentic card and saying "you decide." Also he lies about the origin of the card, saying he just acquired it as opposed to he made it himself.

[Orioles1954]

In 1999, I had to join a couple of white supremacist websites in order to interview a Klan leader and Tom Metzger (google him, creepy dude) for a graduate school project. Haven't been back since. Those places were...well....sobering.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Leon

Not a fan but dunno....Don't think he is a skinhead just senile. I know he had visited a site like that. I don't think we want skinheads on this site but I don't think Jerry fits the bill. Like I say, I think he is just senile. That said if anyone has any proof I would love to see it and will act on it.

I'd consider doing business with a racist or a skinhead before I would with someone who blatantly defrauded others in the hobby. Although I do agree it would be best not to have either as members of this community.

[Fballguy]

Don't believe this has been pointed out, but you can end an auction that has bids, so the non-shilling claim seems a little hard to believe.

Not that it wasn't hard to believe in the context of this listing to begin with.

That he tries to portray himself as a con man with standards (I wouldn't shill bid!) leads me to believe he's not coming completely clean and would probably be hard to trust at any point in the future.

On a side note...I don't believe this is really a high schooler. I think he/she is trying to catfish us.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Don't believe this has been pointed out, but you can end an auction that has bids, so the non-shilling claim seems a little hard to believe.

Not that it wasn't hard to believe in the context of this listing to begin with.

That he tries to portray himself as a con man with standards (I wouldn't shill bid!) leads me to believe he's not coming completely clean and would probably be hard to trust at any point in the future.

On a side note...I don't believe this is really a high schooler. I think he/she is trying to catfish us.

Yeah I just mentioned that, and it does undercut his story. As does opening up the non paying bidder case.

[bigfish]

Originally Posted by njdunkin1

Net54 members and all,


Before I communicate the following words, I wanted to let you know that this is NJ Dunkin, posting regarding a mistake I made a few weeks’ past. I made some counterfeit T206 reproductions to sell on eBay, but instead of making clear that these were fakes, I made the area of authenticity very gray. I recognize this as immoral, deceptive, and misleading.

Here is a link to one of the four auctions in question:

Abbatchio Uzit

I seek forgiveness for three things:
1) My actions were wrong. I recognize this and apologize for it.
2) I was confronted about this on Facebook (Tobacco Row) and stretched the truth in order to paint myself in a better light. I seek forgiveness for deceiving Facebook and board members alike.
3) I should have posted this publicly as soon as it happened, yet I delayed in posting to try and preserve my self-image and reputation.

I realize that this whole situation and how I handled it was wrong, and that I have no excuse for my actions.

I have reserved post #2 for the full details of the story. I wrote this out about a week ago. The details of the story below are the truth, but you do not have to read them or even read further than this sentence. I know the last thing I deserve is your forgiveness, but I felt led to communicate this to you knowing that it was wrong to carry on without associating myself publicly with my actions.

Thank you to the board and Facebook members for the encouragement to take this step.

Noah "NJ" Dunkin

Huh??

Are you leaving the hobby?

Toby Petersen

[Gradedcardman]

I believe Leon banished/suspended him for one year. Enjoyed the young blood in the hobby. Hope he stays in it.

[mechanicalman]

I think this situation just shows that nothing good happens when high school boys hang out on Internet chat boards with mostly middle-age adult males.

[Rookiemonster]

What’s to stop him from mastering his skills? Going to other Facebook/forums ?
Making more FAKE ebay accounts with the intention of selling fakes and shilling them? Making or already has made a fake net54 user name?

Answer: NOTHING!!!

This is the birth of a card con artist. He’ll be around for years.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Who knows what direction this young man will take, hopefully an honest one, but there are some major card doctors who started quite young.

[oldjudge]

When you read the OP's words they do not sound like they are coming from a HS kid(see conversations with Kyle)--they sound like an older person. Call me skeptical, but I do not believe he is in HS.
Leon-Has he given you any proof that he is in HS?

[KingFisk]

Remember this thread? He deleted all of his comments last week.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p=1520993

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

When you read the OP's words they do not sound like they are coming from a HS kid(see conversations with Kyle)--they sound like an older person. Call me skeptical, but I do not believe he is in HS.
Leon-Has he given you any proof that he is in HS?

Sure he's in HS. He takes printshop as an elective

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

When you read the OP's words they do not sound like they are coming from a HS kid(see conversations with Kyle)--they sound like an older person. Call me skeptical, but I do not believe he is in HS.
Leon-Has he given you any proof that he is in HS?

No, and there are a few issues at hand. If in fact he is under 18 he shouldn't be on our BST anyway, without a parents approval (I have gotten a few over the years). Secondly before he is allowed back he and I will have a long conversation before he is admitted. If he is good enough to fool me in a long and inquisitive conversation, God Bless him. And also, at which time I will ask to speak to a parent.
ps...skinhead affiliated person is gone.
.

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

I think this situation just shows that nothing good happens when high school boys hang out on Internet chat boards with mostly middle-age adult males.

I'm not sure which route of insinuation this comment is supposed to take, but I don't think I want to go down any of those paths.

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

What’s to stop him from mastering his skills? Going to other Facebook/forums ?
Making more FAKE ebay accounts with the intention of selling fakes and shilling them? Making or already has made a fake net54 user name?

Answer: NOTHING!!!

This is the birth of a card con artist. He’ll be around for years.

A big Pre-War card group on Facebook has been well notified of his existence. He actually tried joining, and his first post was an admission or something (I forget if it was in response to someone calling him out after they recognized the name). I'm sure other card communities on social media are being made aware of his existence.

Originally Posted by oldjudge

When you read the OP's words they do not sound like they are coming from a HS kid(see conversations with Kyle)--they sound like an older person. Call me skeptical, but I do not believe he is in HS.
Leon-Has he given you any proof that he is in HS?

Full-heartily agree. I think he has more to hide than what he's leading onto. There is a lot in his story that doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by Paul S

Sure he's in HS. He takes printshop as an elective

Well done.

[Hellwig]

He had YouTube videos up under the account EpicMistCOC they are since deleted or private (I guess)

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

NJ's sincerity in this apology should be heavily scrutinized. I have good reason to believe he's only sorry he got caught.

I have a friend in the hobby that noticed something fishy with NJ's eBay listings, and he showed them to me. NJ and I have had some good conversations in the past, as I'm sure many of you have experienced. I reached out to him to see what these fishy listings were about, knowing full well what the intent was. From NJ's presence on here, he always came off as a very passionate individual regarding the hobby, trying to soak up knowledge and really be a positive influence in the community. I knew he wasn't ignorant when it came to fakes, and his listings clearly contained fakes. It angered me, and when I confronted him, his responses pissed me off even more. For full disclosure, I will copy and paste our conversation from February below.

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Kyle May Feb 21 to NJ
Hey NJ,

Are you selling reprints as questionable?

NJ Dunkin Feb 21 to me
Hey Kyle!

Great to hear from you, brother. I actually put up the listings to try and copy the pseudo-legitimate style that so many listers use, but ended up feeling bad and took down as many as I physically could at the end, while bidding up the other two to make sure no one would win them.

Next time I re-list, I've decided to make it much more clear that these are intended to look like old reproductions (although I had listed the cards as "reprints" under that category already.)

It's a fun project to make them and make a few bucks in turn

How have your collecting adventures been? Picked up anything new lately?

Kyle May Feb 21 to NJ
Cut it out. You're better than that. I've always thought highly of you, and from what I know you have a good reputation in the hobby. Don't jeopardize that for a few cheap bucks. You're doing it on a separate account from your main eBay account, which is sketchy as well.

NJ Dunkin Feb 21 to me
Hmm...perhaps you are right. I wouldn't do this to damage my reputation intentionally, but selling "reprints" could be cardboard suicide. I'll give this some thought.

Kyle May Feb 21 to NJ
You're smarter than that, and I think you know why you did this, and that what you did/are doing was/is wrong. You went for the chump change. Of course you didn't purposefully damage your reputation, because you didn't think you'd get caught by selling on your second account. Your emails don't sound very remorseful either, and now I'm seeing a post on Net54 that you're looking for 3 pricey cards? Please tell me you aren't using any profits from this scheme to fund those purchases. Sorry NJ, but something stinks here and I don't like it.

NJ Dunkin Feb 21 to me
Kyle,

I have never done this for easy money or to take a sleazy road. That has never been and never will be my intention. Please hear my heart on this--don't read in to this more than it is.

I'll never sell reprints like this again. I can give you my honest word, I never did this to take advantage of anyone. It was just like crafts in school; I did it for fun in an effort to make intentionally advertised reproductions for display.

The moral ambiguity was a mistake on my part; realizing how foolish that looked only came after I logged in to check the auctions.

I would not want to lose my friendship with you at all, brother. I wouldn't lose it for the world. I really enjoy your company and love our discussions of old cards.

Additionally, if you would like to hear why I asked about those cards on N54 (the expensive ones), I would be happy to explain them to you.

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This sounds like a poorly written screenplay.

[Exhibitman]

Question: If he had walked into a card show and stolen some cards from a table would you be OK with having him here again, ever? If the answer is "no" then I don't think he should be allowed back. There are enough crooks in the hobby already; we don't need a trainee-crook.

[griffon512]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Question: If he had walked into a card show and stolen some cards from a table would you be OK with having him here again, ever? If the answer is "no" then I don't think he should be allowed back. There are enough crooks in the hobby already; we don't need a trainee-crook.

I completely agree. Even if he is young (and I very much doubt he is younger than 20 based upon reading his words in this thread) he pursued an extended con. If someone makes a lot of mistakes when they are young that primarily screws up their own life (drugs, alcohol, etc.), I'm sympathetic. If the focus is on damaging someone's else life that's a whole different ballgame in my book. Plus I'm really tired of those that follow this pattern:

1) Sell yourself as an extremely devout Christian do-gooder by saying things like "all blessings to Jesus, our Lord and savior, etc."

2) Do a series of things over a long period of time deliberately damaging other peoples' lives.

3) Once caught (not before then), ask or expect to be vindicated though a bunch of superficial mea culpas.

I don't buy it, and I don't see that as being harsh or overly punitive. I see it as being a realist. If he earnestly wants to compensate for conning people he can undertake his own self-exile away from this Board/hobby. We are all full up on bad actors in this hobby. There is no need for another casting call in a year.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

What’s to stop him from mastering his skills? Going to other Facebook/forums ?
Making more FAKE ebay accounts with the intention of selling fakes and shilling them? Making or already has made a fake net54 user name?

Answer: NOTHING!!!

This is the birth of a card con artist. He’ll be around for years.

I agree but I hope that his/her getting pinched on this forum is the end in the hobby for this person, maybe he/she rights themselves and this episode is not just their "gateway drug" to bigger and more sophisticated scams...

[ruth_rookie]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

LOl. Indeed. What balls. How dare you rip me off when I'm trying to rip you off.

Lmao