Candiman Auctions Explained

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by botn

At this point they are willing to refund on cards not described as altered that come back as such after being submitted so the losses are limited to the cost of grading. The problem is that the overwhelming majority of their stuff is not altered but will most likely turn out to be severely overgraded which they hid with small scans. No recourse there so hopefully for the Battles they have lots of customers like Ben who do not care and will not be submitting. The Battles could be in business for a very very long time.

And as far as their having consignors other than their parents I do not believe it for a second. I think Daniel wrote they had 15 other consignors--all of whom had raw cards and none of whom wanted to get them graded. What are the odds?

+1...also I'd assume there is a timeline for money back "warranty" and with PSA's timely service this could curtail returns.

[PiratesWS1979]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

+1...also I'd assume there is a timeline for money back "warranty" and with PSA's timely service this could curtail returns.

I'm 99% positive PSA is well aware of this auction and the cards involved. Maybe the submitters should write on the box "Candiman Auctions" and see what happens.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by PiratesWS1979

I'm 99% positive PSA is well aware of this auction and the cards involved. Maybe the submitters should write on the box "Candiman Auctions" and see what happens.

Or maybe a card should be graded on its own merit without any preconceived notions?

And I highly doubt PSA gives a crap about the source of which a card was obtained for submission.

Any submitter ever been asked by a TPG, "Where did you obtain this card?"

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Or maybe a card should be graded on its own merit without any preconceived notions?

And I highly doubt PSA gives a crap about the source of which a card was obtained for submission.

Any submitter ever been asked by a TPG, "Where did you obtain this card?"

Yes actually but that was a long time ago, Mike Baker called me about some cards that it turned out were trimmed and wanted to know the source.

[mantlefan]

Two thoughts:

1. Remember to put "OK to slab as trimmed" on you PSA subs. Otherwise you will get your cards back in the cardboard slab with an "N1 trimmed. Not graded" label.


2. Hope I'm wrong, but pray that Candiman is still in business when you try to return stuff. This could be an attempt to unload $50,000 of inventory and disappear (or declare bankruptcy).

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

+1...also I'd assume there is a timeline for money back "warranty" and with PSA's timely service this could curtail returns.

Hopefully those winning items in this auction are paying with a credit card. At least they will have the option to dispute a charge if the card received is not as described.

[Batpig]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Hopefully those winning items in this auction are paying with a credit card. At least they will have the option to dispute a charge if the card received is not as described.

Most specifically exclude auction sites, so disputing may be difficult.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Batpig

Most specifically exclude auction sites, so disputing may be difficult.

I guess I never read the fine print as I was unaware of that. Perhaps I will review my credit card terms and conditions this evening. Is it common knowledge this is the policy for most cards? Does anyone know specifically about amex or the Costco master card?

[oldjudge]

Sorry to say it, but after a 300+ post thread on these guys, if anyone loses money they deserve it.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Sorry to say it, but after a 300+ post thread on these guys, if anyone loses money they deserve it.

totally agree!

[bnorth]

These are the 2 lots I won. At $39.60 inc buyers premium I think I done real good.

This on has 13 1959 Fleer Ted Williams cards. If anybody has any in this condition for this price I am your huckleberry. http://www.candimanauctions.com/Lot_...l-LOT1154.aspx

I also won this lot of 24 1955 Bowman cards that includes 6 umpire cards. I needed 2 of the umpires for my set that is now 6 cards from complete. Now I have 22 cards for trade bait.http://www.candimanauctions.com/Lot_...L-LOT1141.aspx

[Batpig]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I guess I never read the fine print as I was unaware of that. Perhaps I will review my credit card terms and conditions this evening. Is it common knowledge this is the policy for most cards? Does anyone know specifically about amex or the Costco master card?

Amex definitely has it in the fine print. That's the one I checked for sure before this auction, hoping I could have that to fall back on, since Amex usually sides with buyers.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Batpig

Amex definitely has it in the fine print. That's the one I checked for sure before this auction, hoping I could have that to fall back on, since Amex usually sides with buyers.

A little off topic but I side with the CC companies on this. Because there is a whole group of people that just buy garbage at pennies on the dollar. Then when they don't win big they force a refund.

[cardsnstuff]

they {bros} probably knew that; now I understand why they were fighting with me on the paypal issue so much.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Batpig

Amex definitely has it in the fine print. That's the one I checked for sure before this auction, hoping I could have that to fall back on, since Amex usually sides with buyers.

Just pulled up my terms and conditions for amex. The section on disputes if you are unhappy with your purchase was surprisingly short. No specific mention of auction houses, but interesting that the policy does not apply to purchases out of state or made 100 miles from home. I'm not sure how that rule would apply to an online purchase made from my home but to a company out of state. Perhaps an attorney could clarify. Hi Peter


Your Rights

If You Are Dissatisfied With Your Credit Card Purchases If you are dissatisfied with the goods or services that you have purchased with your credit card, and you have tried in good faith to correct the problem with the merchant, you may have the right not to pay the remaining amount due on the purchase. To use this right, all of the following must be true:

1. The purchase must have been made in your home state or within 100 miles of your current mailing address, and the purchase price must have been more than $50. (Note: Neither of these are necessary if your purchase was based on an advertisement we mailed to you, or if we own the company that sold you the goods or services.)

2. You must have used your credit card for the purchase. Purchases made with cash advances from an ATM or with a check that accesses your credit card account do not qualify.

3. You must not yet have fully paid for the purchase. If all of the criteria above are met and you are still dissatisfied with the purchase, contact us in writing at: American Express PO Box 981535 El Paso TX 79998-1535 While we investigate, the same rules apply to the disputed amount as discussed above. After we finish our investigation, we will tell you our decision. At that point, if we think you owe an amount and you do not pay, we may report you as delinquent.

[pokerplyr80]

Terms are more generous if you are a victim of fraud, and in my personal opinion if I bought a card described in a much better condition that the one I received that would constitute fraud. I'm not certain the credit card company would agree, but I would certainly argue my case.