Candiman Auctions Explained

[joshuanip]

I think this thread started in the right direction where a case was pleaded and vetted. Some great points were raised on both sides. Enough to come up with a conclusion about the case one way or another. Let's leave it as that. If this was a water cooler post that whose topic was based on opinions, then let it be such for that setting. But in this case, this is plea for one's business, one's livelihood that affect not only that person but for that person's family. We should respect that and not pile on for the sale of piling on.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by joshuanip

I think this thread started in the right direction where a case was pleaded and vetted. Some great points were raised on both sides. Enough to come up with a conclusion about the case one way or another. Let's leave it as that. If this was a water cooler post that whose topic was based on opinions, then let it be such for that setting. But in this case, this is plea for one's business, one's livelihood that affect not only that person but for that person's family. We should respect that and not pile on for the sale of piling on.

This plea is from a family of accountants who earn extra money by screwing over collectors in our hobby. I wouldn't say we're piling on just for the sake of piling on, but rather in hope that the information and opinions shared here might help other collectors from getting screwed over as well. Especially since they will no longer have the eBay and PayPal protections to fall back on.

[ZiggerZagger]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

This plea is from a family of accountants who earn extra money by screwing over collectors in our hobby. I wouldn't say we're piling on just for the sake of piling on, but rather in hope that the information and opinions shared here might help other collectors from getting screwed over as well. Especially since they will no longer have the eBay and PayPal protections to fall back on.

Please correct to "alleged" Accountants -- has anyone verified that Daniel and Justin attended and were granted degrees from Auburn University yet?

No, seriously though, aside from a few wobbles in this thread I think the board is serving its function well -- as the safeguard for folks who really care about the health of the hobby.
Jesse's concerns about reliable recourse for bidders who might be disappointed with their winnings are legitimate, especially in light of an AH with zero track record or existing ties to the community.

The Battles Brothers deserve credit for consistently fighting their corner and not running away, as well as criticism for being evasive regarding their grading and policies regarding raw cards.
Also severe judgment for picking a ridiculous name for their auction house, albeit a very minor transgression in the grand scheme of things

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by ZiggerZagger

Please correct to "alleged" Accountants -- has anyone verified that Daniel and Justin attended and were granted degrees from Auburn University yet?

No, seriously though, aside from a few wobbles in this thread I think the board is serving its function well -- as the safeguard for folks who really care about the health of the hobby.
Jesse's concerns about reliable recourse for bidders who might be disappointed with their winnings are legitimate, especially in light of an AH with zero track record or existing ties to the community.

The Battles Brothers deserve credit for consistently fighting their corner and not running away, as well as criticism for being evasive regarding their grading and policies regarding raw cards.
Also severe judgment for picking a ridiculous name for their auction house, albeit a very minor transgression in the grand scheme of things

Great post. +1

They have zero track record in the industry or referenced dealings with anyone in the community on their own, despite referring to themselves as lifelong collectors. Their parents' notorious ebay account was recently shut down, closing their avenue to selling altered/photo shopped/misrepresented cards to the collecting community. Now, in a field that has too many auction houses already, a brand new entity arises. And for the lead auction, they offer the questionable inventory of their parents former ebay store. It does not pass the smell test.

And the names? War Eagle, Battlefield, Candiman? Better suited to racehorses than auction houses...

Just one guy's opinion.

[Bigshot69]

Personally, I prefer ‘Love is a Battlefield Auctions’ in honor of the great Pat Benetar❤️

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by ZiggerZagger

Please correct to "alleged" Accountants -- has anyone verified that Daniel and Justin attended and were granted degrees from Auburn University yet?

No, seriously though, aside from a few wobbles in this thread I think the board is serving its function well -- as the safeguard for folks who really care about the health of the hobby.
Jesse's concerns about reliable recourse for bidders who might be disappointed with their winnings are legitimate, especially in light of an AH with zero track record or existing ties to the community.

The Battles Brothers deserve credit for consistently fighting their corner and not running away, as well as criticism for being evasive regarding their grading and policies regarding raw cards.
Also severe judgment for picking a ridiculous name for their auction house, albeit a very minor transgression in the grand scheme of things

Ahh yes, alleged accountants is more appropriate considering what we know at this point. My point was more a disagreement with Josh that the initial post was a plea for these guy's livelihood. What they really do is irrelevant. The best fraudsters and con men are great at coming up with excuses and justifications that keep there true intentions hidden. I believe that's what we have seen thus far in this thread.

Their silence the last couple of days, as well as their failure to answer several direct questions from different members here tells me all I need to know to form my opinion.

Sellers like these who prey upon less experienced collectors are a big part of what's wrong with this hobby. Not quite as bad as the guys creating fake autographs or putting reprints into real looking psa holders, but pretty close. My hope is that this site gets shut down before too many lose hundreds or thousands of dollars over paying for cards that are either altered or in worse condition that described.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Ahh yes, alleged accountants is more appropriate considering what we know at this point.

No, I don't think it's alleged. Mom works in an accounting office, and she made a facebook post about Justin graduating in the top 5% of his class at Auburn in accounting. Carol is very religious judging by her facebook posting history, her husband's name is Danny and in not so shocking news his middle name is "Earl" which pretty much cements War Eagle = Battlefield.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Sellers like these who prey upon less experienced collectors are a big part of what's wrong with this hobby. Not quite as bad as the guys creating fake autographs or putting reprints into real looking psa holders, but pretty close. My hope is that this site gets shut down before too many lose hundreds or thousands of dollars over paying for cards that are either altered or in worse condition that described.

Dang, that's a brutal assessment for the crime of being guilty by association. I can't imagine the venom if they actually do something wrong.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

Dang, that's a brutal assessment for the crime of being guilty by association. I can't imagine the venom if they actually do something wrong.

Is there concrete evidence that the mother was actually running the Battlefield account? These guys are supposedly selling their parents cards which we all know were riddled with trimmed and other "A" cards. IMO these guys don't get the benefit of the doubt. This is a family operation and I'm convinced of that.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Is there concrete evidence that the mother was actually running the Battlefield account? These guys are supposedly selling their parents cards which we all know were riddled with trimmed and other "A" cards. IMO these guys don't get the benefit of the doubt. This is a family operation and I'm convinced of that.

Yes, it was Carol. I had several emails with her as I was the one who gave Battlefield 17 negatives and 5 neutrals in one shot. Having won about 70 cards, and returning about 40, I know exactly how the cards were photoshopped and the lying write-ups. So I am certainly not a shill for their business plan. Those "faults" I could personally deal with since Carol always accepted returns no matter what. That kept her in business for a long time. We all can name several old-time respected dealers who did the same thing, only they did it through catalogs and calling a card Ex when they were Fair at best. Plus there were many bargains to be found as many stayed away. No risk with returns. But to say her cards were riddled with trimmed was not accurate. If so then you need to take it up with REA and Heritage because Her inventory came from buying large lots from there and breaking them up. Thousands of cards were acquired that way, at least in the non-sports side. It wasn't until later that she got greedy and started buying Authentics, cracking them out, then listing as NM.

Candiman Auctions probably shouldn't have started with the old inventory. They need to add better scans, including the backs for anything decent. And they definitely need to stop giving personal grade opinions that are overly generous. Sure, maybe they don't get the benefit of the doubt, but the most recent posts are doing the exact opposite and not giving them the benefit of their own deeds. Maybe you will end up being right, but i don't like to judge people that way.

I still can't believe the post suggesting we call the Attorney Generals Office. By that logic, if they were a minority we could just call the police.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

Dang, that's a brutal assessment for the crime of being guilty by association. I can't imagine the venom if they actually do something wrong.

It's the same entity, moved from eBay to candiman auctions. The same family, same inventory, same descriptions. Had they branched out, formed an auction house on their own, and started by selling their own cards and the consignments of others my opinion would be much different. Had they graded battlefield's inventory before selling, at least the star and HOF cards, my opinion would also be different.

I see why you view my assessment as brutal. I am convinced it is accurate. Even if some of you are not.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

It's the same entity, moved from eBay to candiman auctions. The same family, same inventory, same descriptions. Had they branched out, formed an auction house on their own, and started by selling their own cards and the consignments of others my opinion would be much different. Had they graded battlefield's inventory before selling, at least the star and HOF cards, my opinion would also be different.

I see why you view my assessment as brutal. I am convinced it is accurate. Even if some of you are not.

And just like Battlefield they also don't appear to know that collectors like to see the reverse of a card just as much as they want to see the front.

[CandimanAuctions]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

Dang, that's a brutal assessment for the crime of being guilty by association. I can't imagine the venom if they actually do something wrong.

Thank you Eric. I agree 100%.

Daniel

[CandimanAuctions]

Originally Posted by ZiggerZagger

Also severe judgment for picking a ridiculous name for their auction house, albeit a very minor transgression in the grand scheme of things

Jason,

Severe judgement for picking a ridiculous name? Last time I checked a person has the right to name their business anything they want. I believe the name is unique and not one that you are going to forget. How that is ridiculous I'll never know...

Daniel

[CandimanAuctions]

Originally Posted by joshuanip

I think this thread started in the right direction where a case was pleaded and vetted. Some great points were raised on both sides. Enough to come up with a conclusion about the case one way or another. Let's leave it as that. If this was a water cooler post that whose topic was based on opinions, then let it be such for that setting. But in this case, this is plea for one's business, one's livelihood that affect not only that person but for that person's family. We should respect that and not pile on for the sale of piling on.

Joshua,

Thank you very much. I couldn't have said it any better.

Thanks,

Daniel