Modern Era HOF Ballot: Who do you think should get in?

[bravos4evr]

My head says Trammel, Simmons and Marvin Miller


My heart adds Dale Murphy

[bravos4evr]

Tho, I might add that I think Tommy John should be in for a combination of his career numbers AND his contribution to the game of baseball by subjecting himself to the surgery. So, kinda more of a "contribution to the game of baseball" thing than a "you were one of the all time great players" thing

[packs]

Would be nice to see Fred McGriff on that list. To me he's a HOFer and much better than a lot of those listed.

[clydepepper]

Is there a block on Cuban-born candidates?

Neither Tony Oliva nor Minnie Minoso were ever seriously considered...


and Luis Tiant was as good or better than many that are already in the Hall:

Marquard, Rixey, Haines, Drysdale, Bunning and Hunter come to mind.

[bbcard1]

Based on the criteria established by the current membership, you can't go wrong with any of the people on the list.

I know Miller was important, but I would be fine if there were no executives in the hall of fame. Just not interesting to me.

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Is there a block on Cuban-born candidates?

Neither Tony Oliva nor Minnie Minoso were ever seriously considered...


and Luis Tiant was as good or better than many that are already in the Hall:

Marquard, Rixey, Haines, Drysdale, Bunning and Hunter come to mind.

Didn't Oliva come pretty close to getting in the last time?

[btcarfagno]

This is what the ballot (player-wise) should look like:

Billy Pierce
Rick Reuschel
Dave Stieb
Bill Freehan
Ted Simmons
Keith Hernandez
Bobby Grich
Willie Randolph
Lou Whitaker
Dick Allen
Ken Boyer
Darrell Evans
Graig Nettles
Alan Trammell
Jimmy Wynn
Dwight Evans
Reggie Smith

These are the players that I feel are no brainer Hall Of Famers

Ted Simmons
Bobby Grich
Dick Allen
Ken Boyer
Dwight Evans

These are the others from the list that I would vote for

Dave Stieb
Keith Hernandez
Lou Whitaker
Graig Nettles
Alan Trammell
Reggie Smith

Tom C

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by NewEnglandBaseBallist

Didn't Oliva come pretty close to getting in the last time?

Honestly, I can't recall how he did in these 'veterans' type 'secondary' votes - and BBR doesn't seem to have records of those previous votes.

I was referring to the BBA voting from which he got 36% his last year on the ballot (1996) and topped out at 47% (1988) - I guess, in retrospect, that's fairly serious consideration, but not at all close to getting in...and, IMO, it is a real shame!

[MCoxon]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Is there a block on Cuban-born candidates?

Neither Tony Oliva nor Minnie Minoso were ever seriously considered...


and Luis Tiant was as good or better than many that are already in the Hall:

Marquard, Rixey, Haines, Drysdale, Bunning and Hunter come to mind.

I suspect Minoso, and possibly Oliva, will get into the HOF at some point

[bravos4evr]

For those arguing Garvey and besmirching Simmons they have nearly the same stats except one of them played catcher and is 9th in fWAR all time as a catcher and the other played 1b and is 61st all time for 1b.


Simmons is one of the ten best catchers of all time and he's not a HOF'er? That seems.... well I'm fairly "small hall" and even I think he's overdue.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

For those arguing Garvey and besmirching Simmons they have nearly the same stats except one of them played catcher and is 9th in fWAR all time as a catcher and the other played 1b and is 61st all time for 1b.


Simmons is one of the ten best catchers of all time and he's not a HOF'er? That seems.... well I'm fairly "small hall" and even I think he's overdue.

It is your opinion that Simmons is a top 10 catcher. I disagree. One of my problems with WAR is that it undervalues defense. It is particularly important for catcher. Simmons was below average defensively. In my opinion, that negates a positional bonus.

Bench
Carter
I Rodriguez
Fisk
Piazza
Berra
Dickey
Cochrane
Hartnett
Campanella

Those guys are all better than Simmons. Josh Gibson is high on that list, but how do you compare him? From not in the HOF, I have Munson, Freehan, probably Posey, maybe Mauer. So, that puts him 16th and as I said, if the Veterans Committee is liberal with their selections, after Garvey, Munson and Freehan are in, I have no problem with Simmons. I just wouldn't put him in ahead of Trammell, Garvey, Murphy, Mattingly or Parker.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

My head says Trammel, Simmons and Marvin Miller


My heart adds Dale Murphy

This.

Also wondering where Rick Reuschel is.

Tom C

[Steve D]

Honestly, I would vote for all 10 of them in the HOF.

Steve

[Big Six]

Originally Posted by Steve D

Honestly, I would vote for all 10 of them in the HOF.



Steve

I agree...good bunch of guys who would add a lot to the Hall. Can you imagine that induction ceremony?!?!?


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[seanofjapan]

I'd say they all belong (and as one other poster noted, Fred McGriff too, who would be close to the top of my list among those guys).

The hall is way too clubby than it needs to be. Also, you can't go back and kick the guys from the 30s out whose careers fall pretty clearly into what we consider "Hall of Very Good" territory today thanks to basically arbitrary changes in standards over the years. Those guys are the standard for admission, not Ruth.

There is easily enough deserving players out there today to double the HOF population.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by seanofjapan

I'd say they all belong (and as one other poster noted, Fred McGriff too, who would be close to the top of my list among those guys).

The hall is way too clubby than it needs to be. Also, you can't go back and kick the guys from the 30s out whose careers fall pretty clearly into what we consider "Hall of Very Good" territory today thanks to basically arbitrary changes in standards over the years. Those guys are the standard for admission, not Ruth.

There is easily enough deserving players out there today to double the HOF population.

Fred is in a different Veteran Committee bucket (called the Today era or something like that) that handles players of the last 20 years or so. So, I suspect whenever THAT particular committee vote occurs in the next few years, he'll be on the list.