T207 Miscuts: When do they become rare?

[shernan30]

As a few may know, I've only be an active pre-war collector since the beginning of the year. Most of my collecting time has been on Old Judge cards, as you may have noticed from the monthly Pick Up threads. I recently partnered with a Net54 member on a larger REA lot of pre-war type cards. My main purpose for going after the lot was the E102 Matty, E90-1 Cobb, and a T207 Johnson.

The cards arrived and I started to do a once over. I knew from the beginning the T207 Johnson was a miscut, but I didn't think about the way it which it was miscut. The factory number is on the top.

If this were a T206 I know right then it carries a premium, but since this is a T207 I have very little threads or details on rarity, value, or T207 miscut collectors to do my due diligence. I sent the card to PSA and the card came back a 4 MC (very happy!!).

What is the consensus on this card?
Is there a market for it?
Are there premiums placed on T207s?

Steven

[ullmandds]

They become rare and valuable when collectors start caring about t207.

I'd say that will be when hell freezes over!!!!!

[bn2cardz]

I have a factory top miscut t207. I don't think I paid a premium even though it was advertised as being a miscut through an auction house. So as stated above I don't think they carry a huge premium, but if you were to get two people that like prewar errors/miscuts without caring which set you may get a bit of one. I fall into this category, but have been staying away from purchasing recently.

[z28jd]

When they do start going for more, let me know, I have a Hoff/Broadleaf ready to ship!

[Leon]

I don't think there is much of a premium on T207 miscuts unless they are really, really off. I wouldn't put a premium on your T207 Johnson but it's neat. I only have one error T207 and it's the Bressy that makes you think you are having double vision ....I didn't pay a premium and the seller (I think it was Rob A) didn't even notice the double print on the front..

[insccollectibles]

When there is high demand for T207's. However, I don't see that in the foreseeable future.

[Exhibitman]

A player collector might be interested. It would also interest the freak freaks like me. In short, it is definitely collectible. That said, I do agree with the consensus that you won't see the sort of primo pricing that T206 freaks get [or got; I think the run is over on them]. The opposite historically has been true--the error cards sell for less than average cards due to the defects. Of course, to me that just says now is the time to stock up on these when they can be obtained cheaply. I got this one at a National with a sweet Obak miscut [also shown] and the dealer thought I was nuts for wanting them:



An example of a miscut back I have:

[hshrimps]

I value PSA 4 (MC) as PSA 1.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by hshrimps

I value PSA 4 (MC) as PSA 1.

On the contrary I value PSA MC designated cards at the value of the grade or sometimes higher. That is why this hobby is fun everyone gets to decide the value of items for themselves.

[hshrimps]

IMO, I prefer PSA to grade that a PSA2 than a PSA4MC

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by hshrimps

IMO, I prefer PSA to grade that a PSA2 than a PSA4MC

I wish all graders didn't consider factory mistakes in their final grade. It all comes down to personal preference. Though I would love to see two grades given, one for production grade and another for post production grade, but that is just my preference.

[Jobu]

In addition to this thread there is one older thread about T207 freaks:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=159254

My Leach is below. Have any other oddball T207s turned up in the last few years?

[bn2cardz]

I have this upside down wrong back that is miscut for sale in the BST

[ullmandds]

shameless plug for my t207 w/missing colors in current sterling auction.

any print "freak" is uber rare and is a window into the printing process.

[Leon]

For both of the previous posters (hey guys) let's don't make a precedent of selling things on the front page. I get that it was within an informative thread but still.... If everyone did it, it would be a mess. Thanks and nothing personal. BTW, this is no big deal, just a friendly request to keep the forum somewhat organized....

[frohme]

I agree with Pete about issues giving visibility into the process. Whether it is print issues, cut issues, front/back issues, they all indicate something. I've never been a fanatic about such things but mostly find them just interesting - even when they suggest something fundamental.

This one has been shown here before, so not much new, but this Adams, for example, suggests that at least some T207's were printed like the Obak's, with cards oriented both horizontally and vertically.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by hshrimps

IMO, I prefer PSA to grade that a PSA2 than a PSA4MC

It's nice to prefer things, but psa will not grade cards without qualifiers that are miscut or marked. It's only o/c cards can be asked to graded without qualifiers.

[drcy]

Someone asked me how accurate are those DNA ethnic ancestry tests. I said "If you like the results, then they're accurate."

[Leon]

Very cool, Mike. Thanks for posting the miscut T207 with multiple card borders...many, if not all, of us like seeing how the cards were made, distributed, sold etc.....I don't think I have ever seen a T207 sheet so that might be the closest we get to seeing one? (maybe I missed a known sheet though?)

..btw, I am playing softball with a guy we used to play with in Nasa Area Little League again, in Dallas. His name is Pat Rea (sounds like Ray)..........

Originally Posted by frohme

I agree with Pete about issues giving visibility into the process. Whether it is print issues, cut issues, front/back issues, they all indicate something. I've never been a fanatic about such things but mostly find them just interesting - even when they suggest something fundamental.

This one has been shown here before, so not much new, but this Adams, for example, suggests that at least some T207's were printed like the Obak's, with cards oriented both horizontally and vertically.

[Luke]

I think this Chalmers is pretty cool. The name below appears to be Chalmers and I haven't been able to tell who is to the left.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Luke

I think this Chalmers is pretty cool. The name below appears to be Chalmers and I haven't been able to tell who is to the left.

Luke...I had a little fun on the web and tracked down the mystery partial card on the left side of your Chalmers.

Brian

[Luke]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Luke...I had a little fun on the web and tracked down the mystery partial card on the left side of your Chalmers.

Brian

Thanks Brian! I spent some time looking back when I got the card, but couldn't figure it out.