T206 Who should be a HOFer that isn't ???

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by packs

I think the true test should be: was this person one of the three best players at their position during their career? If the answer is yes, then I don't see how that person isn't a HOFer. In the case of Larry Doyle, he was unquestionably the best second baseman of his time. So how is he not a HOFer?

Pitchers would be a different story because at any given time there could be an infinite amount of top pitchers. I wouldn't use the top three as an indicator for them.

I don't like this argument. What constitutes an era? If we just look at who the top 3 at any given position are without comparing them to the rest of history at said position we are just going to weaken the HOF more than it is already.

Was the player in the top 10-15 all time at their position?

If not were they in the top 10 in the game at any position during their career?

Does that players stats paint a picture of an all time great? Or just a good player who played a position that had poor depth league wide at the time?

[CMIZ5290]

Please end this thread....3 months is long enough....

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

I don't like this argument. What constitutes an era? If we just look at who the top 3 at any given position are without comparing them to the rest of history at said position we are just going to weaken the HOF more than it is already.

Was the player in the top 10-15 all time at their position?

If not were they in the top 10 in the game at any position during their career?

Does that players stats paint a picture of an all time great? Or just a good player who played a position that had poor depth league wide at the time?

Some of the players you say no to I think pass your litmus test.

[packs]

Well I'm talking about the T206 era and T206 players.

[Topps206]

I'm really puzzled that people are against Sheckard. He was better at his position than Kling was at his. I honestly think Sheckard would be a far better choice than most players listed in here.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by Topps206

I'm really puzzled that people are against Sheckard. He was better at his position than Kling was at his. I honestly think Sheckard would be a far better choice than most players listed in here.

Sheckard is very underrated. For me he would go into the Hall Of Very Good, but he should at least be in the conversation regarding the Hall Of Fame. Sherry Magee, however, should be close to a no brainer for the HOF.

Tom C

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Sheckard is very underrated. For me he would go into the Hall Of Very Good, but he should at least be in the conversation regarding the Hall Of Fame. Sherry Magee, however, should be close to a no brainer for the HOF.

Tom C

I agree with all you say. Sheckard isn't an injustice if an omission, but I could live with his induction.

Magee? He stands the test of time. How is he not in yet? Why do we have to wait until 2020, at least?

How Magee and Bad Bill are not in when both are easily qualified is puzzling to me.

Edit: Look how long it took to induct George Davis, arguably a top five shortstop of all time! The voters don't always get it right.

[Joshchisox08]

Some others not mentioned that I completley forgot about:

Cy Seymour ??? .303 average, over 1,700 hits, and 61-56 pitching recrod
Ginger Beaumont ??? .311 average, over 1,700 hits, led the league in 1902 with .357 average
Jesse Tannehill ??? 197-111
Fred Tenney ??? 2231 hits, .294 lifetime average.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

Some others not mentioned that I completley forgot about:

Cy Seymour ??? .303 average, over 1,700 hits, and 61-56 pitching recrod
Ginger Beaumont ??? .311 average, over 1,700 hits, led the league in 1902 with .357 average
Jesse Tannehill ??? 197-111
Fred Tenney ??? 2231 hits, .294 lifetime average.

Seymour was a better version of Schulte.

Beaumont had a good career, but unlike Cravath, not enough for a short one.

Tannehill is lower on the pole for pitchers.

Tenney is someone I'm surprised Frankie Frisch didn't pick.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Topps206

I agree with all you say. Sheckard isn't an injustice if an omission, but I could live with his induction.

Magee? He stands the test of time. How is he not in yet? Why do we have to wait until 2020, at least?

How Magee and Bad Bill are not in when both are easily qualified is puzzling to me.

Edit: Look how long it took to induct George Davis, arguably a top five shortstop of all time! The voters don't always get it right.

Magee I don't understand. He is the same as Wheat and Kelley. He should be in already.

Dahlen wasn't the defensive player that Wallace or Tinker were. Not being outstanding, just very good, both offensively and defensively doesn't necessarily mean you are a hofer. Davis was outstanding defensively. Why he didn't make it earlier makes no sense to me.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by rats60

Magee I don't understand. He is the same as Wheat and Kelley. He should be in already.

Dahlen wasn't the defensive player that Wallace or Tinker were. Not being outstanding, just very good, both offensively and defensively doesn't necessarily mean you are a hofer. Davis was outstanding defensively. Why he didn't make it earlier makes no sense to me.

I'm busy at work, so I'll respond in depth later, but don't let the fielding percentage fool you. Dahlen was a great defender.