Should MLB replace Cy Young awards with the "C. Mathewson" and "W. Johnson" awards?

[Leon]

I feel each player needs to be judged in context of the environment and the norms for the day. The "steroid" players should have a mark next to their name. It's one thing for the Babe to eat a hot dog during a game but it's another thing to inject artificial hormones. (at least to me) There will probably never be another pitcher to have even 100 less wins than Cy, let alone as many or more.

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

yeah but dead ball era pitchers had huge parks, a ball that was spit on, brown, misshapen at times, faced a lower quality hitter , didn't throw at full strength most of the time and didn't have the slider, splitter or cutter to put more pressure on their elbow and shoulder. and all sorts of other things too.

The thing is, you can't blame pitchers for their era. The deadball guys got the era they got, as did the guys in the 80's, as did everybody else. The modern era is one of specialization, such is the way of things, but punishing people and ignoring evidence because of some sort of "yeah but " thing is intellectually dishonest. Remember, the numbers are park and league adjusted.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Leon

I feel each player needs to be judged in context of the environment and the norms for the day. The "steroid" players should have a mark next to their name. It's one thing for the Babe to eat a hot dog during a game but it's another thing to inject artificial hormones. (at least to me) There will probably never be another pitcher to have even 100 less wins than Cy, let alone as many or more.

What if the pigs etc that Babe was eating for his hotdogs were injected with hormones, would he be a cheater then!?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

What if the pigs etc that Babe was eating for his hotdogs were injected with hormones, would he be a cheater then!?

The IOC and WADA would say yes.

Of course they didn't have that stuff when he played so we can be pretty sure he wasn't using that.

Steve B

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by steve B

The IOC and WADA would say yes.

Of course they didn't have that stuff when he played so we can be pretty sure he wasn't using that.

Steve B

is whisky a PED?????

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Leon

I feel each player needs to be judged in context of the environment and the norms for the day. The "steroid" players should have a mark next to their name. It's one thing for the Babe to eat a hot dog during a game but it's another thing to inject artificial hormones. (at least to me) There will probably never be another pitcher to have even 100 less wins than Cy, let alone as many or more.

I agree, you kinda have to look at the player vs other's of their era. and I don't know about an "asterisk" but I have no problem with the way the voters have decided to keep many of the obvious offenders out of the HOF.


Pitcher wins aren't really worth much as far as judging pitcher ability due to the variables out of their control (mainly offense) , so it really doesn't matter much if anyone gets close to Cy Young or not. Heck, he played in the 3 man rotation days back when relievers were only there for when things got ugly Now, most teams runa starter out for 6 and then bring in the specialists.