WTB 1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle

[pokerplyr80]

Were it not for that crease I think the 4 in this case would go for more than the 5. Centering and Eye appeal is at a premium and people are willing to pay for it.

Here's a good example from a couple of auctions I watched last week:

SGC 3 52 Mantle off center sold for about 13.5k with buyer's premium

http://www.gregbussineau.com/LotDeta...entoryid=12793

SGC 1.5 52 Mantle Centered 10.3k

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...p2047675.l2557

I'm sure we'd all agree there's normally at lot more than a 3k difference in the value of this card in a 1.5 vs a 3. I actually thought the SGC 3 would sell for less than it did.

[MattyC]

Just look at the-- so far-- enormous premium being paid for the Goldin Auctions PSA 8 1952 Topps Mantle versus the Heritage example. 300k versus 240k. The Goldin 8 destroys the Heritage 8, for my own money. But another may see differently. Will be interesting to see if that disparity holds up at Hammer Time.

[Iron Horse]

i would agree that the 4 is much more pleasing then the 5.
Yes, i buy the card not the holder/grade

Did you decide yet Peter

[3-2-count]

Case and point. I paid way up for this one for the card alone, not for what the printed number states on the flip. In my opinion this card holds it's own against other examples up to a 6 when taking into consideration centering, registration, stray print lines, color and back staining which it has none of. I'm thinking long term I did okay.

[Peter_Spaeth]

That card deserves a new home.

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

Case and point. I paid way up for this one for the card alone, not for what the printed number states on the flip. In my opinion this card holds it's own against other examples up to a 6 when taking into consideration centering, registration, stray print lines, color and back staining which it has none of. I'm thinking long term I did okay.

Holy Crap, Tony! That card is gorgeous. PINPOINT focus. Deep color. Centering. Whatever an average "5" sells for today, I'd pay more right now for that 4.5. Great eye, brother. Congrats. I'd wager that card would outsell a mediocre 5 all day, every day.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

Case and point. I paid way up for this one for the card alone, not for what the printed number states on the flip. In my opinion this card holds it's own against other examples up to a 6 when taking into consideration centering, registration, stray print lines, color and back staining which it has none of. I'm thinking long term I did okay.

that's a real nice sgc mantle....I have no doubt that will go for more than higher graded copies.....I talking about bidding at the same auction though when people are buying the card not the grade. like the memory lane auction with the 51 mantel..would of be interesting if no crease on the psa 4. .lots of people say they like a card more..but I think we all agree its one thing to say it and another thing to pay the price.........sort of like b/s/t...people comment how much they like someones card for sale, but don't pull the trigger...easy to say...but means a lot more to pay the price then just to say it.....

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

that's a real nice sgc mantle....I have no doubt that will go for more than higher graded copies.....I talking about bidding at the same auction though when people are buying the card not the grade. like the memory lane auction with the 51 mantel..would of be interesting if no crease on the psa 4. .lots of people say they like a card more..but I think we all agree its one thing to say it and another thing to pay the price.........sort of like b/s/t...people comment how much they like someones card for sale, but don't pull the trigger...easy to say...but means a lot more to pay the price then just to say it.....

Yea that would be interesting to see. I would pay more for this Mantle in an SGC 4.5 than I would for the PSA 5 in Memory Lane. If 3-2-count were to agree to it I would buy this card for what that 5 closes at.

Although they were different sites I think those to 52 Mantles I posted make the point though, as to the PSA 8s mattyc mentioned, especially if they close with a 60k gap for the same card in the same grade.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Yea that would be interesting to see. I would pay more for this Mantle in an SGC 4.5 than I would for the PSA 5 in Memory Lane. If 3-2-count were to agree to it I would buy this card for what that 5 closes at.

Although they were different sites I think those to 52 Mantles I posted make the point though, as to the PSA 8s mattyc mentioned, especially if they close with a 60k gap for the same card in the same grade.

when talking about cards with more than 50k difference.thats a little different scenario...sort of artwork at that point and eye in the beholder......heck the T206 wagner theres an issue of grading etc...can be 500k difference on opinion such as that Gretsky T206 Wagner (trimmed?) and the holder isn't really as important with that type of money.....I talking more of the regular cards in the 1k-20k range in the same auction....different auctions are everything..i want to see someone pay more for a lower grade card where the higher grade card is right in their face....we all overpay on occasion for cards..even knowing a prior auction price was much lower....its another to see it in front of your face like the memory lane auction that I first commented on....

again saying 'I will pay more' doesn't really count unless you actually pay...and what does 'pay more mean'....I can pay 2k for a 1952 mantle psa 5 versus 1k for a psa 6...so I am paying more..but I not winning the card.....its all really just talk and theory unless someone actually buys the card following their mantra...

[CW]

Fantastic Mick, Tony!

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I actually thought the SGC 3 would sell for less than it did.

I think it did. Looking at the auction page it appears the $11,400 includes the BP. Interesting comparison between the two cards, though.

Although I doubt any bidders were fooled, I thought this line was a bit misleading in the description:

"...the offered example is highlighted by a crystal-clear portrait of "The Mick" that is boldly colored and unblemished."

Unblemished?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by CW

I think it did. Looking at the auction page it appears the $11,400 includes the BP. Interesting comparison between the two cards, though.

Although I doubt any bidders were fooled, I thought this line was a bit misleading in the description:

"...the offered example is highlighted by a crystal-clear portrait of "The Mick" that is boldly colored and unblemished."

Unblemished?

You're right, don't know how I missed that. I guess that proves the point even more about the premium for centering and eye appeal. The seller of a 1.5 on ebay netted more than the seller of a 3 on that auction site.

And yes I'd hardly call that card unblemished. Don't get me wrong any 52 mantle is an awesome card and congrats to the collector who won it, especially if it's another net54 member. I suppose no one will ever list a card as "rough for the grade, use this one to pad your registry." I would appreciate the honesty though and might even bid a little more if they did.