1952 Topps House gray/yellow

[SMPEP]

Hi Zach,

That's an easy and hard question to answer. The easy part is ... it's a DP on the sheet versus most cards being a TP. So the Reiser should be one of the tougher ones to find.

BUT there are 19 other cards that are also DPs ... and some of those have 10+ known copies (with others ungraded), and none have as few known copies. Like I said earlier, either Reiser got thrown away more often, or there are more out there to be discovered. Given the rate at which the Maxwell (a previous tie for a s few with Reiser) has been found in recent years, my money is on them being in collections and people not recognizing that.

Cheers,
Patrick

[Exhibitman]

Can someone post a pic of the gray back?

[SMPEP]

Here's the back of the one that Bill won. The one form the Mile High auction never showed the back in the auction listing. Not sure I ever took a shot of the back of the third one when I saw it - but both in the photo were grey backs.

Thanks,
Patrick

[Republicaninmass]

Nobody has a Reiser



--End of thread----

I HAVE been looking!

[Zach Wheat]

Has anyone ever confirmed a mid series gray back Reiser?

Z

[ALR-bishop]

Zach-- I have heard you can find them in the 52 Christmas packs

[SMPEP]

Al - I assume that is a joke I am missing? (I've checked for evidence of this and have never seen any indications that teh christmas packs have grey backs in them.)

[flkersn]

Originally Posted by SMPEP

Hi Zach,

That's an easy and hard question to answer. The easy part is ... it's a DP on the sheet versus most cards being a TP. So the Reiser should be one of the tougher ones to find.

BUT there are 19 other cards that are also DPs ... and some of those have 10+ known copies (with others ungraded), and none have as few known copies. Like I said earlier, either Reiser got thrown away more often, or there are more out there to be discovered. Given the rate at which the Maxwell (a previous tie for a s few with Reiser) has been found in recent years, my money is on them being in collections and people not recognizing that.

Cheers,
Patrick

Which 20 cards do you consider DPs versus TPs? Or do you just go by the Pop reports?

[tombocombo]

Cards 181 183 185 187 189 seem quite difficult in the cream let alone the gray back variation. Informed the seller that this is the 3rd known copy on the Frank House gray/yellow. The 3rd series is rarer than originally thought. Cards 171 to 190 in general are difficult.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by tombocombo

Cards 181 183 185 187 189 seem quite difficult in the cream let alone the gray back variation. Informed the seller that this is the 3rd known copy on the Frank House gray/yellow. The 3rd series is rarer than originally thought. Cards 171 to 190 in general are difficult.

Hi Tom,

We've corresponded several times in the past and I purchased a '52 variation from you recently. Why do you suspect these cards are more difficult to obtain? I know you track pops of the 52 Topps set and are very familiar with all of the variations?

Just curious as to your view....

Z

[SMPEP]

Cards #171-190 were double printed on the sheet, and the cards #131-170 were triple printed. Unlike a lot of theories, the full 1952 sheet had 200 cards, not 100 cards. They were printed on Lord Baltimore presses with a splitter attached in the midle that cut the sheets into two sections. this explains the common, but wrong theory that there were A and B sheets.

Cheers,
Patrick

[flkersn]

Originally Posted by SMPEP

Cards #171-190 were double printed on the sheet, and the cards #131-170 were triple printed. Unlike a lot of theories, the full 1952 sheet had 200 cards, not 100 cards. They were printed on Lord Baltimore presses with a splitter attached in the midle that cut the sheets into two sections. this explains the common, but wrong theory that there were A and B sheets.

Cheers,
Patrick

Thanks for the information. I believe you, but...I am having trouble with the math. At the risk of inviting ridicule, I offer the following:

40 cards TP is 120, 20 cards DP is 40, for a total of 160 cards on a 200-card sheet. What am I doing wrong? Maybe my brain is too small.

Bill

[ALR-bishop]

I remember him. He was a tracker for the U.S. cavalry, who made a cameo appearance in Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid

[flkersn]

Originally Posted by flkersn

Thanks for the information. I believe you, but...I am having trouble with the math. At the risk of inviting ridicule, I offer the following:

40 cards TP is 120, 20 cards DP is 40, for a total of 160 cards on a 200-card sheet. What am I doing wrong? Maybe my brain is too small.

Bill

Does anybody have an opinion?