SGC...Trustworthy?

[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by MartyFromCANADA

Has anyone else had a problem like this?

I have not, but it kind of underscores my thoughts on the grading industry as a whole.

I should admit, when I'm buying a high-dollar card, I prefer that it's either graded or in bad shape so I'm not spending a ton of money on it. I like the security of the holder. But, really, stuff like this just proves how subjective grading is as a whole. And it's not even the graders' faults, to be honest. One person can have an entirely different view looking at the same exact card. Someone may be having a bad day. The list goes on and on, really.

And who's to say that grading companies are always going to be 100% honest, anyway?

I'm not bold enough to say the grading industry is going to be in the can in five years, ten, or even 15. But the thing is that too often the number on the holsters is taken as gospel when, at the end of the day, it's no more than someone's opinion.

[kmac32]

Had a different issue with SGC but still an issue. All of my graded cards are in SGC slabs and I bought a 1921 Koester Bread of my Great Great uncle Elmer Miller in a PSA slab. Wanting uniformity in the collection, I cracked it out and submitted it to SGC thinking they would call it a 1921 Koester Bread. They slabbed it alright and called it a 1922 W575-1 card. I definitely was less than pleased as cards produced in 1921 all have the position designation of CF for these cards. When called and asked about why, the response was that W575-1 cards and Koester Bread cards appear identicle and unless there was clear evidence to the contrary, they will always call these cards 1922 W575-1 cards. Answer was clearly a pat answer and if you research Koester Bread, an inaccurate answer. Do not know if it would have made a difference but If I had submitted it in the PSA holder that called it Koester Bread, maybe they might have labeled it correctly as Koester Bread. On this issue SGC is clearly inconsistent.

[ullmandds]

i have had multiple cards over the years get rejected as altered only to get holdered later on.

[iowadoc77]

Paid a decent price for a 1935 national Chicle football high number PSA 6 and wanted it crossed to SGC. I was new at this and assumed I would get a similar grade. Came back authentic. Said evidence of trimming. Back to PSA so I could sell it because my set was SGC. Got a 6. Subjective is right. I do feel better about authenticity when card is slabbed. May be false confidence

[vthobby]

Here is a true story:

My buddy bought a PSA MINT 9 (O/C) 1960s HOF Rookie card. It was clearly miscut but it had sharp corners so the grade was appropriate.

With the OCD bug biting at his heals he sent it to Beckett (since they do not have qualifiers).........came back a BVG 6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He then broke it out and at a very large show he had me submit it back to Beckett. Came back as "altered".............

He then broke it back out and had me submit it to SGC and it came back an SGC 84 (7) which in reality was consistent with the PSA grade.

I then sold it for him at quite a loss due to the grading costs and low price it obtained as a 7.

Crazy but true!

Mike Pap

[swarmee]

I just had a PSA submission of 100 cards, where 2 cards were not holdered: one for evidence of trimming and one for being miscut. I had them put a ship hold on the order and requested that the cards be holdered with whatever qualifiers were needed (like AUTH and #(MC)) so that they could still be added to my registry sets. After the holdering, they just popped as a 4.5 VGEX+ and a 5 EX, neither being qualified.
That was a little shocking, but pleasant. I was surprised they didn't get a number grade in the first place, and I don't send in MC cards.

[bigfish]

You take a risk everytime you regrade a card. It s easy to point the finger at sgc. You did take the card out of the holder. You took a chance and lost.

I trust sgc 100 percent

[MartyFromCANADA]

Originally Posted by bigfish

You take a risk everytime you regrade a card. It s easy to point the finger at sgc. You did take the card out of the holder. You took a chance and lost.

I trust sgc 100 percent

The card is still in the holder. PSA 3. And SGC had graded it previously 40.
My problem is with the discrepancy with the grading standards. As you know, every grade higher amounts to many dollars higher. I'm strictly a buyer in this hobby. I'm just trying to get nice looking cards for reasonable and honest prices. I put trust into SGC and they let me down with the inconsistent grading process. *I know this must happen with PSA, Beckett etc., and I am not trying to bit*h on SGC. The whole system is starting to feel a little sleazy.

[Peter_Spaeth]

You're jumping to some conclusion about the state of grading based on ONE card?

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by swarmee

I just had a PSA submission of 100 cards, where 2 cards were not holdered: one for evidence of trimming and one for being miscut. I had them put a ship hold on the order and requested that the cards be holdered with whatever qualifiers were needed (like AUTH and #(MC)) so that they could still be added to my registry sets. After the holdering, they just popped as a 4.5 VGEX+ and a 5 EX, neither being qualified.
That was a little shocking, but pleasant. I was surprised they didn't get a number grade in the first place, and I don't send in MC cards.

That's nuts!