T206 Joe Doyle Variation

[LuckyLarry]

Bryan I dont have a loupe (yet) but under a magnifying glass the ink colors match.
Ted here's the back it's a mess:

Larry

[t206blogcom]

Originally Posted by LuckyLarry

... the back it's a mess..

You could probably soak off most of the attached paper.

[ullmandds]

Compelling situation...for a t206 discussion!!!!! Unfortunate outcome to say the least if it "Were" real!

[Tao_Moko]

This card w/ rare variation has been known for a long time so the fact that it appears to be scratched off doesn't give a high probability that it's the NAT'L version. That being said - soaking the back might uncover the subject #. According to Ted, that will help determine any possibility. Looks like some of the number may be visible.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

This card w/ rare variation has been known for a long time so the fact that it appears to be scratched off doesn't give a high probability that it's the NAT'L version. That being said - soaking the back might uncover the subject #. According to Ted, that will help determine any possibility. Looks like some of the number may be visible.

Further examination of the Piedmont back is not necessary. The only Piedmont back printed on the Joe Doyle cards is the 350 Series version.

The front caption should be examined under high magnification to see if there are any remnants of the Nat'L lettering.


TED Z
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[Sean]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Further examination of the Piedmont back is not necessary. The only Piedmont back printed on the Joe Doyle cards is the 350 Series version.

The front caption should be examined under high magnification to see if there are any remnants of the Nat'L lettering.


TED Z
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I get what you're saying Ted: the Doyle, with or without the Nat'l, only comes with a Piedmont 350, not a Piedmont 150 or 460. So this card must have a 350 back. We can only determine more by looking at the caption.

[LuckyLarry]

Thanks for the replies. With the PIEDMONT 350 back I know the odds of it being a "Doyle N.Y. NAT'L" have improved from being a ba-zillion to one odds down to a million to one odds But under my magnifying glass there appears to be the remnants of additional letters……..
I've soaked plenty of cards before, but I won't put this one in my sink because I would be afraid of removing whats left of what appears to me to be scratched off lettering.
Heres a possible theory: Maybe some ten year old back in 1911 said "This isn't Larry Doyle who pitches for the NY NATL team" "It's Joe Doyle who pitches for the NY AMER team" and scratched of NATL! My 1950s and 1960s Topps sets have PLENTY of team and name changes scratched out in ink!
Ted you suggested I examine the card under magnification, if I took this card to a jewelry store could they look at it for me using a loupe, or do I need to put it under a microscope?
Also if this IS a one in a million card (and I really dought that it is)(but there is something there) wouldn't PSA or SGC grade it as the N.Y. NAT'L variation in poor condition?
Larry

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by LuckyLarry

Thanks for the replies. With the PIEDMONT 350 back I know the odds of it being a "Doyle N.Y. NAT'L" have improved from being a ba-zillion to one odds down to a million to one odds But under my magnifying glass there appears to be the remnants of additional letters……..
I've soaked plenty of cards before, but I won't put this one in my sink because I would be afraid of removing whats left of what appears to me to be scratched off lettering.
Heres a possible theory: Maybe some ten year old back in 1911 said "This isn't Larry Doyle who pitches for the NY NATL team" "It's Joe Doyle who pitches for the NY AMER team" and scratched of NATL! My 1950s and 1960s Topps sets have PLENTY of team and name changes scratched out in ink!
Ted you suggested I examine the card under magnification, if I took this card to a jewelry store could they look at it for me using a loupe, or do I need to put it under a microscope?
Also if this IS a one in a million card (and I really dought that it is)(but there is something there) wouldn't PSA or SGC grade it as the N.Y. NAT'L variation in poor condition?
Larry

I probably shouldn't chime in on what the tpg's will do, but I highly doubt they would grade it as a NAT'L. Your theory of the kid is awesome.............. Good luck to you and I hope you're able to find some tangible evidence on the card.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by LuckyLarry

Bryan I dont have a loupe (yet) but under a magnifying glass the ink colors match.
Ted here's the back it's a mess:

Larry

Larry

The Joe Doyle Nat'l (error) card exists ONLY with a PIEDMONT 350 back.

We could have eliminated any possibility of it being a Joe Doyle Nat'l card, if this card of yours had a SWEET CAP, POLAR BEAR, SOVEREIGN, etc. back.

But, now there is a fair (however, miniscule) possibility that it may have been.

Good luck,


TED Z
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