Joe Orlando is lying fakes flips look real..

[ofrogers]

Originally Posted by MW1

The fonts and positioning of the text are completely wrong on that label. Not at all convincing to me, even when the portions of the cracked PSA holder are obscured with a same-color background or cropped altogether.

Edited to add: the card itself also looks fake.

There have been 7 font, space, barcode changes over the years. They even now don't all line up..
I agree the card is too light overall..I think too thin also..The front not as defined..Still without the obvious, white bat ect..

[MW1]

Originally Posted by ofrogers

There have been 7 font, space, barcode changes over the years. They even now don't all line up..
I agree the card is too light overall..I think too thin also..The front not as defined..Still without the obvious, white bat ect..

The flip on this card matches zero of the previous or current PSA labels. The published PSA guidelines would be a good place to start when being offered this type of bogus card. Even for those collectors who cannot discriminate between a real and fake PSA flip, there are too many other problems with cards like this one to even consider a purchase.

[ergoism]

The guy behind all of these fake Mantles has evolved his game.

He can make the slabs and the flips identical to PSA's right before they released this most recent version. All serial numbers and barcodes will match as well. He will take clean looking cards and TRIM them to look sharp. To protect yourself from this scam, measure your cards and see if you can find the same serial number sold in the past on VCP to compare images.

This guy is tucked away down in Mexico, doesn't come to the states, and uses unsuspecting pawns to deal his creations. I obtained a lot of information about him through e-mail and phone calls in the past but he cut me off when I shared some of the info to protect people from being scammed.

Look at all of the following pictures. Every single one of these is a fake slab and flip with a trimmed card inside. The source of these is same source of the PSA 9 55 Clemente that was headlining the most recent Clean Sweep auction.







Be careful who you buy from and do your homework.

[MW1]

Originally Posted by ergoism

The guy behind all of these fake Mantles has evolved his game.

He can make the slabs and the flips identical to PSA's right before they released this most recent version. All serial numbers and barcodes will match as well. He will take clean looking cards and TRIM them to look sharp. To protect yourself from this scam, measure your cards and see if you can find the same serial number sold in the past on VCP to compare images.

This guy is tucked away down in Mexico, doesn't come to the states, and uses unsuspecting pawns to deal his creations. I obtained a lot of information about him through e-mail and phone calls in the past but he cut me off when I shared some of the info to protect people from being scammed.

Look at all of the following pictures. Every single one of these is a fake slab and flip with a trimmed card inside. The source of these is same source of the PSA 9 55 Clemente that was headlining the most recent Clean Sweep auction.







Be careful who you buy from and do your homework.

Looks like all of those PSA holders have been cracked/opened on at least one side.

[ergoism]

Originally Posted by MW1

Looks like all of those PSA holders have been cracked/opened on at least one side.

These are reproductions, not original holders. There would be much more frosting if they were opened.

[MW1]

Originally Posted by ergoism

These are reproductions, not original holders. There would be much more frosting if they were opened.

No. They're not. Those are real PSA holders that have been opened and resealed.

[ergoism]

Originally Posted by MW1

No. They're not. Those are real PSA holders that have been opened and resealed.

Why are you so adamant about this?

Matty, regarding the Mantles, those are all reprints. He printed up a bunch of them the same way he printed up 1000 Jordans. The font on the Jordans are a little off as well as the borders being too smooth, see below.

[MattyC]

All those fake Mantles have the "crisp" focused Yankee logo. And preternaturally white borders. As was just said, gotta be VERY careful and picky with where we buy.

[bobbyw8469]

WOW! If those are all fakes, then I guess I am fooled.....some good looking cards, and I dont see the frosting at all...

[MW1]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

WOW! If those are all fakes, then I guess I am fooled.....some good looking cards, and I dont see the frosting at all...

Look at the right edge of the 1986 Topps Jerry Rice. That's the most obvious one.

[tiger8mush]

Are there examples of compromised Beckett slabs? I know their thick holders aren't as elegant as PSA/SGC, but they seem to excel at card protection and tamper resistance.