assault weapon ban again

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

You keep saying things like "kill us all off" and "kill us all" like I said that. Still putting words in my mouth. Now you bring Obama into it........geez, that was predictable.



Before you hit me with your barrage of sarcastic questions- try answering one of mine- why doesn't "Homeland Security" guard our borders?



Sincerely, Clayton

Clayton,

Homeland Security does guard the border. Customs and Border Patrol falls under that agency.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Nevermind. Mis-read the post.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

Clayton,

Homeland Security does guard the border. Customs and Border Patrol falls under that agency.

I think when Clayton asks, "why doesn't "Homeland Security" guard our borders?" he means why aren't they doing their job. In other words, why are their so many illegal border crossings?

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I think when Clayton asks, "why doesn't "Homeland Security" guard our borders?" he means why aren't they doing their job. In other words, why are their so many illegal border crossings?

There have been illegal crossings for years. I know that the number of prosecutions and people being caught has increased over the years. However I am unsure if this is because more people are crossing or if law enforcement is just catching a higher percentage.

[nolemmings]

Some would say they're doing their job just fine. "CNN Fact Check: Illegal border crossings at lowest levels in 40 years":

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/politi...k-immigration/

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Some would say they're doing their job just fine. "CNN Fact Check: Illegal border crossings at lowest levels in 40 years":

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/politi...k-immigration/

Tell me, how do they estimate fewer border crossings? Do they have a meter or turnstile that measures incoming illegal immigrants? Seriouly though, they only compare the number of apprehensions from previous years (which is definitely lower - no argument there) and assume that equates to fewer crossings. There is truly no way to measure illegal border crossings, they can only measure apprehensions.

Besides, that article was written last year with data up to 2011. Sure there were few border crossings in 2011, there were fewer jobs to cross over for. In fact, many illegal immigrants were going back home at that time because they couldn't find work over here.

[vintage954]

This thread is hilarious....

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by vintage954

This thread is hilarious....

So true. It almost makes me want to shoot myself

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Some would say they're doing their job just fine. "CNN Fact Check: Illegal border crossings at lowest levels in 40 years":

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/politi...k-immigration/

But, of the ones we do catch, we plan on releasing 500 of them a week into the US...

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...r-Week-Into-US

As was Clayton's original point, the Border Patrol is a freaking joke! But, hey, that's an extra 500 votes a week, right?

[nolemmings]

While I cannot comment too much on the California situation, I assume it is the same as what exists here in Arizona, where we have been receiving busloads of immigrants, in all likelihood here illegally, from Texas, where they are essentially released with the papers commanding them to appear for their deportation or related hearings when appropriate. Our dim-witted governor of course wasted no time to whine to President Obama for relief; happily, however, the transported aliens have been treated well by volunteers who have taken them in and provided them with at least the bare essentials.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/25...en-their-homes

These people do not represent a new surge of an invading Mexican horde–they are Central American citizens from countries other than Mexico who have been around and were rounded up as part of an overall increase in immigration enforcement–IOW, the government is doing the very thing the right wingers claim they ignore. This of course is not apparent from the Breitbart blurb, as that “source” is hardly renown for its objectivity and thoroughness.

Anyway, the problem arises because the Mexican government is not obliged to accept foreigners; i.e., non-Mexicans, into their country, and in fact has declined to accept these folks, who again come from other countries. At least that is what has been reported here--they cannot simply be pushed back into Mexico. This is a matter of international law and sovereignty, not a fault of the US Border Patrol. At most it is an issue of immigration law and reform. As for that issue, I leave it to anyone capable of reading to determine who it is that has obstructed and foot-dragged on getting something meaningful done. I would point out that here in Arizona, there is a bi-partisan push to move forward:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...m-way/2140538/


I also see that the LA Time reports “President Obama will not make changes to the nation's deportation system for at least two months in order to give House Republican leaders more time to search for votes for an overhaul of immigration laws, administration officials said Wednesday....An immigration bill, a top domestic priority for the president, has been stuck in the Republican-led House since last year. The Senate passed a bipartisan bill last summer that Obama said met his requirements for reform.”

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...528-story.html

[jhs5120]

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[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I think when Clayton asks, "why doesn't "Homeland Security" guard our borders?" he means why aren't they doing their job. In other words, why are their so many illegal border crossings?

Exactly. If the reason DHS was created was "truly" about "terrorists" one would think the first thing they would do is saturate ALL borders of the United States with themselves. But, last night I watched a show about them catching low level drug smugglers at JFK airport How many agencies do we need nowadays? I thought our local police, sheriffs, and FBI were doing a good job.

Since DHS isn't truly about protecting us from "terrorists", and aren't worried about illegal border crossings, what is the purpose in having a DHS? We already had agencies doing the same jobs that they are doing now. Here's an interesting article:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...art-terrorists

Sincerely, Clayton

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Exactly. If the reason DHS was created was "truly" about "terrorists" one would think the first thing they would do is saturate ALL borders of the United States with themselves. But, last night I watched a show about them catching low level drug smugglers at JFK airport How many agencies do we need nowadays? I thought our local police, sheriffs, and FBI were doing a good job.



Since DHS isn't truly about protecting us from "terrorists", and aren't worried about illegal border crossings, what is the purpose in having a DHS? We already had agencies doing the same jobs that they are doing now. Here's an interesting article:



http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...art-terrorists



Sincerely, Clayton

DHS was created as a way to reorganize those agencies and provide a more functional framework for national security. Keep in mind that DHS is not focused solely on terrorism.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

DHS was created as a way to reorganize those agencies and provide a more functional framework for national security. Keep in mind that DHS is not focused solely on terrorism.

I understand that. But, going back to the main event that brought us all of this wonderful stuff (9/11/2001), the concept was "supposedly" specifically to better focus on catching terrorists. Now, it was clear to me quite a long time ago that something about this was bogus because there was no saturation at the borders (presumably where foreign terrorists were most likely to enter the country). So, now, the mission has changed-and at the same time they aren't doing anything about our borders, they are coming up with all kinds accusations of normal Americans as "domestic terrorists"- to me, there is something wrong with this picture. Apparently, some take offense to what I'm saying-that's ok, I respect everyone's opinion.

Sincerely, Clayton

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

I understand that. But, going back to the main event that brought us all of this wonderful stuff (9/11/2001), the concept was "supposedly" specifically to better focus on catching terrorists. Now, it was clear to me quite a long time ago that something about this was bogus because there was no saturation at the borders (presumably where foreign terrorists were most likely to enter the country). So, now, the mission has changed-and at the same time they aren't doing anything about our borders, they are coming up with all kinds accusations of normal Americans as "domestic terrorists"- to me, there is something wrong with this picture. Apparently, some take offense to what I'm saying-that's ok, I respect everyone's opinion.

Sincerely, Clayton

Clayton,

I appreciate your passion and knowledge of the political process. However, the situation is much more complex than your post indicates.

[jhs5120]

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[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Those incompetent jerks.

C'mon Jason, just get it out of your system and call me a "racist" already!

Sincerely, Clayton

[jhs5120]

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[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

What? That thought honestly never crossed my mind. I don't think you have posted anything racist here (at least not in our few posts worth of conversation).

I will call you a bit paranoid though. Skepticism is a great thing when it comes to our government, but I don't think the government, DHS and local law enforcement officials are conspiring to do harm to American citizens. Just my opinion.

Ok, I will apologize for that comment, that was out of line.

I will stop being paranoid when the this country is no longer run by corporations, lobbyists, and corrupt "representatives". The Supreme Court found it was important enough to make a ruling (very recently) on campaign contributions-but refused to even hear the case regarding NDAA section 1021 and 1022 (indefinite detention of American citizens, by the military, with no due process, with vague language like "a belligerent act" being one of the "justifications" in this section). THIS is outrageous. THIS is a threat to EVERY AMERICAN. But I'm not surprised- because if every one is willing to turn a blind eye to this vvvvvvvvvvv then nothing is shocking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgrunnLcG9Q

God Bless America.

Sincerely, Clayton