T206 Wagner & Plank....anti-tobacco dudes....printed together on a sheet

steve B · #1 02-28-2014, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

I said SWEET CAPORAL 150 Factory's #30 & #25....and, that's exactly what I meant. These are the only 2 factory's that the Wagner and Plank were shipped to,
to be issued in cigarette packs.

Ummm.....

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Originally Posted by tedzan

So far we have not found complete (or partial) sheets of T206 cards. But, we have examples of 150 series, 350 series and 460 series formats that suggest to us how
certain sheets were printed. One such example is the group of 34 subjects printed with SWEET CAPORAL 150 Factory 30 backs (and other 150 series T-brand backs).

You can see where I might be confused. There's 153 confirmed SCF30s with 34 of them getting the 649OP eventually. Not a big deal, I just thought the bit above might not be clear about why those 34 cards would be discussed.

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Originally Posted by tedzan

The SC 150 Factory #649 subjects are important, in that they serve the purpose of clueing us as to what subjects were printed in this early SC 150 series format.
Remember, prior to the overprints on these cards, they were initially printed with SC 150 Factory #30 backs.

I brought this up recently, since his SC 350 cards are only out of Factory #30 NYC. The regional distribution from this factory of these Sweet Cap packs was limited
to New York and New England.

I posted a 2 threads on this forum in 2006 and 2007 spelling out exactly this. Here is the link to one of them......
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...6+plank+theory

Best regards,

TED Z

Both true, and that's where those parts of the ideas come from. Until there's something concrete I have to think of them as just ideas. While some of my ideas are new (or rather the concepts are new as far as looking at cards) They must include the previous and other current thoughts as possibilities.

The rest is a bit of a more complicated version of what John has said. Plank was a victim of bad planning or timing or something. That's the simple explanation.
Of course with a year and a half to include him later the question becomes what exactly happened. I can't really see Plank getting dropped because of simple bad timing and not added back in later. So the question becomes what exactly happened. Maybe they really did simply make a mistake and didn't catch it.

Steve B

tedzan · #2 02-28-2014, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B

Ummm.....

The rest is a bit of a more complicated version of what John has said. Plank was a victim of bad planning or timing or something. That's the simple explanation.
Of course with a year and a half to include him later the question becomes what exactly happened. I can't really see Plank getting dropped because of simple bad timing and not added back in later. So the question becomes what exactly happened. Maybe they really did simply make a mistake and didn't catch it.

Steve B

This scenario is too arbitrary, or hap-hazard to me. First, by the end of 1908, Plank had won 150 games in less than 1/2 of his career. He was a "Big-Big Name" !
2nd, as is evident throughout the better part of the T206 set, ALC's planning was pretty damn good.

My thinking in this matter is....when ALC representatives went down to Spring Training in February/March 1909, they were getting permission from these players.
If we include Plank, 21 of the these 36 guys in this format are Pitchers & Catchers. Some of them gave written permission and others vocal. Perhaps, Plank gave
his say-so to ALC then.
However, when Wagner later went public with his anti-tobacco "rant". Plank had a change of mind.

Isn't it funny.....Wagner smoked Cigars throughout his years.....so I found his public rant insincere.

Anyhow, that';s how I see it.

TED Z

wonkaticket · #3 02-28-2014, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

This scenario is too arbitrary, or hap-hazard to me. TED Z

No more hap-hazard than creating elaborate theories and presenting them framed as historical facts and happenings with not shred one of evidence to support such complex claims.

teetwoohsix · #4 03-01-2014, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

No more hap-hazard than creating elaborate theories and presenting them framed as historical facts and happenings with not shred one of evidence to support such complex claims.

I agree with this statement.

From the movie "The Internship" (I think that was the name of it)-

"If you fight for your limitations, you get to keep them"

If you want to mold things to fit your theory about sheet size, you can

Sincerely, Clayton

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