Super Bowl - in-depth analysis

[itjclarke]

Denver is a joke.. total joke. Please pardon me, any Rocky Mtn area fans, but this is a total joke (a la 55-10 in 1990).

[HRBAKER]

Inertia man, Denver is swirling the bowl now.

Don't care who wins but would enjoy a semblance of a game.

[MyGuyTy]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

Denver is a joke.. total joke. Please pardon me, any Rocky Mtn area fans, but this is a total joke (a la 55-10 in 1990).

They're moving the ball now, but this is bringing back 55-10 memories of Denver, lol

[Runscott]

Ian, I'm really hoping San Francisco is good enough to get back to Seattle for next year's NFC Championship game (assuming Dallas chokes again). I know I said earlier I hoped it would be in S.F., but that' probably not going to happen.

I will buy the first round next year if it happens.

[Harliduck]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Ian, I'm really hoping San Francisco is good enough to get back to Seattle for next year's NFC Championship game (assuming Dallas chokes again). I know I said earlier I hoped it would be in S.F., but that' probably not going to happen.

I will buy the first round next year if it happens.

Dallas? No offense, but even mentioning that underperforming no talents is rather humorous to me. They won't choke, they simply have zero talent to get anywhere near this game. The first year Carroll got here, he made more changes than any other coach in NFL history, and Dallas is in need of those changes...and as a Seattle resident, I was worried to say the least. I went from being admittedly a huge Flynn fan to thinking "what the hell is Carroll doing??" like most Seattle fans (if you say you weren't thinking that you are friggen lying...lol). Schneider and Carroll are fricken geniouses...I bow to their direction and THANK GOD they came here. A truly blessed fan and humbled Seattlite tonight!

I remember being 9 years old watching the city being mesmerized by the Championship Sonics...we haven't had success on that level since...I am now taking my 9 year old to the parade on Wednesday...hopefully we don't have to wait until HIS son is 9!!! GO HAWKS!!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Harliduck

Dallas? No offense, but even mentioning that underperforming no talents is rather humorous to me. They won't choke, they simply have zero talent to get anywhere near this game.

So they have finished 8-8 each year and you call them "underperforming", yet you say they have zero talent? Not bad for underperforming no talent players.

The reason Cowboys fans like me are so frustrated with the team is that they have gone into each of the last three seasons with high expectations, BECAUSE of the talent, and have then underperformed - the players along with the management. I mention them for one reason - I have been a fan since 1966 - that's 47 years. How old are you?

Sorry for the rant, but if you are going to talk football, talk about the part you have been watching, or do some googling first. No offense.

[Harliduck]

Originally Posted by Runscott

So they have finished 8-8 each year and you call them "underperforming", yet you say they have zero talent? Not bad for underperforming no talent players.

The reason Cowboys fans like me are so frustrated with the team is that they have gone into each of the last three seasons with high expectations, BECAUSE of the talent, and have then underperformed - the players along with the management. I mention them for one reason - I have been a fan since 1966 - that's 47 years. How old are you?

Sorry for the rant, but if you are going to talk football, talk about the part you have been watching, or do some googling first. No offense.

Scott...I appreciate your comments, and if you are referring to me as too young to have an opinion I thank you for the compliment...haha. I have been a fan of the Seahawks since 1976, their inception, and have been a season ticket holder since 1980 (my parents) and took over their tickets...and personally am old enough to remember Tony Dorsett as my favorite player in my youth. So by math you got maybe 10 years on me as a fan...again...

I just see Romo as a QB who will never lead that team to the promise land (all I can think when saying Romo was the botched hold and fumble against my beloved Seahawks). I also feel your team needs major overhauls...just like the Seahawks had to go thru. Sure...we could have held on to the players who were aging and "so-so" that brought us our 2005 NFC Championship...but now...MASSIVE overhauls and good drafts and signings changed our fortunes. To me, the Cowboys are poster childs for the need to rebuild. Yes, they have a stellar history...but it's just that...history. They lack the coaching and the talent for the next level...and as a die hard Seahawk fan who was AGAINST all the changes we went thru (I am truly humbled by the genius of Carroll and Schneider), I certainly don't have the Cowboys answer...I just know with their current line up top to bottom...I am just glad I am NOT a fan...

To answer the age question...I was born in 1970...I am hoping you rip on me for being young...HAHAHA....

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Harliduck

Scott...I appreciate your comments, and if you are referring to me as too young to have an opinion I thank you for the compliment...haha.

Absolutely not - I would never discount someone's opinion merely because of their age. I do realize that it sounded that way, but my point was that I have followed this team longer than most board members have been alive - I know the team very well, and that comes from following them from good years to bad years to good years, etc. We are in a bad spot at the moment, but I'm acutely aware of the reasons, and isn't for lack of Jerry Jones throwing money at the team. It's simply bad decisions compounded over years, resulting in a lack of motivation for very talented players. Unless you are a long-time Cowboys fan, or a sportswriter, there is no reason for you to have a good feel for these things.

Originally Posted by Harliduck

I have been a fan of the Seahawks since 1976, their inception, and have been a season ticket holder since 1980 (my parents) and took over their tickets...and personally am old enough to remember Tony Dorsett as my favorite player in my youth. So by math you got maybe 10 years on me as a fan...again...

I just see Romo as a QB who will never lead that team to the promise land (all I can think when saying Romo was the botched hold and fumble against my beloved Seahawks). I also feel your team needs major overhauls...just like the Seahawks had to go thru. Sure...we could have held on to the players who were aging and "so-so" that brought us our 2005 NFC Championship...but now...MASSIVE overhauls and good drafts and signings changed our fortunes. To me, the Cowboys are poster childs for the need to rebuild. Yes, they have a stellar history...but it's just that...history. They lack the coaching and the talent for the next level...and as a die hard Seahawk fan who was AGAINST all the changes we went thru (I am truly humbled by the genius of Carroll and Schneider), I certainly don't have the Cowboys answer...I just know with their current line up top to bottom...I am just glad I am NOT a fan...

To answer the age question...I was born in 1970...I am hoping you rip on me for being young...HAHAHA....

Tony Romo is NOT the reason for Dallas' problems. It was tough watching him grow up, throwing a lot of very ill-advised passes, being distracted by off-field stuff, etc., but I'll finally admit that without him we are worse. So he fumbled that snap against Seattle - one play, even if it cost them a shot at moving on. It wasn't stupid - it was a physical mistake. I don't know about the rest of you, but I never really had a choice about which teams I was a fan of. I grew up in the 1960's in Texas, so my teams were the Astros and the Cowboys (the AFL wasn't considered a real league by most of us). They still are - for better or worse. I pulled for the Broncos when I lived in Denver in the '70s and '80s, but they were my second team behind Dallas. Now I pull for the Seahawks and the Mariners, still behind Dallas and the Astros. It was actually easier to become a Mariners fan because they sucked - no arrogant fans. It's hard to like a team of arrogant winners, when you are new to a city. I lived in Atlanta from '94 - '05 and I never liked the Braves. I pulled for the Saints in the playoffs this year against Seattle, but I went to the NFC championship game, and hating the 49'ers, I bonded a bit with the team and the fans. One thing Seattle and Dallas have in common: we both dislike San Francisco.

No, I won't rip anyone for being young. My comments were related to your experience with Dallas in particular, not with your age. I figured you were probably born after I began following Dallas, and I was correct by about six years. Anyone can blast me for being a Cowboys fan, but I've been one for 47 years, and the post-Landry years have not been easy.

[Runscott]

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[MyGuyTy]

Originally Posted by Runscott

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Luckily for you that won't happen this year! Lol

[MyGuyTy]

That was an awesome touchdown by Kearse!

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by MyGuyTy

That was an awesome touchdown by Kearse!

Some DBs can tackle, some can't. The ones who can't are a large reason Mr Peyton threw for more yards than anyone ever this year, while probably averaging fewer actual "yards in air" per throw than just about anyone.

Kearse/Baldwin are super underrated.. Those guys just make plan.

Adding- Seattle defends the pass better than any team I've ever seen, and this includes tackle/strip after the catch

[drmondobueno]

Thought the game was going to be close. Manning showed zero arm strength, I mean zero. There appeared to be no wind, so no excuses there. Thought at first I was just reading into all the ducks comments, but after watching Wilson zipping fastballs, I saw a quarterback in orange who threw the ball with no authority. None. You want to make a really good defensive team look even better? Throw nothing but short and slot passes with no velocity, let the backs shorten the field even further. Manning looked really weak. As far as defensive pressure, it was there, but was he knocked down, sacked? Balls were deflected, etc., but he only threw the ball deep, what, twice? A D-back dream.

Scoreboard, Seattle.

[Kenny Cole]

This is just painful to watch.

[HRBAKER]

The "legacy" talk will be interesting to listen to this coming week.

I'm thinking that Bob Dylan and Paul McCartney go to the same hairdresser.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

The "legacy" talk will be interesting to listen to this coming week.

Did someone die?

I think you mean 'dynasty'

Carroll is on an almost identical schedule to where Jimmy Johnson was with Dallas after four years, so it's reasonable to think they could be very good for a few more years. Wait a second, did I say NEARLY identical ?!?

Jimmy Johnson, years 2-4 with Dallas

DAL 1990 7 9 0 43.8 4th in NFC East - - - -
DAL 1991 11 5 0 68.8 2nd in NFC East 1 1 50 Lost to Detroit Lions in NFC Divisional Game.
DAL 1992 13 3 0 81.3 1st in NFC East 3 0 100 Super Bowl XXVII Champions.

Pete Carroll, years 2-4 with Seattle:

SEA 2011 7 9 0 .438 3rd in NFC West – – – –
SEA 2012 11 5 0 .688 2nd in NFC West 1 1 .500 Lost to Atlanta Falcons in NFC Divisional Game.
SEA 2013 13 3 0 .813 1st in NFC West 2 0 1.000 TBA to Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XLVIII.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by MyGuyTy

Luckily for you that won't happen this year! Lol

I learned my lesson and took care of business before kick-off.

[MyGuyTy]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I learned my lesson and took care of business before kick-off.

Hahaha! Nice!

[MyGuyTy]

Denver looks like they're never played football before.....

[itjclarke]

Seattle is this good... Denver isn't doing the AFC much credit, but Seattle is damn good. This said from a lifelong Niner fan, who's dying knowing we'd be taking it to the Broncos right now as well.

Scott- you're on.. Btw, I'm now 0-3 in games I've attended in Seattle.. My fortune is bound to change next year!

Until further notice, the championship goes through the NFC west (includes the Cards if they ever get consistent QB play or a running game)

[MyGuyTy]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

Seattle is this good... Denver isn't doing the AFC much credit, but Seattle is damn good. This said from a lifelong Niner fan, who's dying knowing we'd be taking it to the Broncos right now as well.

Scott- you're on.. Btw, I'm now 0-3 in games I've attended in Seattle.. My fortune is bound to change next year!

Until further notice, the championship goes through the NFC west (includes the Cards if they ever get consistent QB play or a running game)

That NFC West is gonna be SOLID for a while! Funny how just a few years ago the NFC West was the worst division in football, my has that changed quickly.