John Titus-Itus

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by z28jd

If they are actually collecting them as opposed to hoarding them to run up value, then I'd disagree and say it is hurting them the most because the price they are paying keeps going up.

Beckett had article about 8 years ago describing how one collector's hoarde of Prince Fielder auto RC (Upper Deck) had driven up the value. The collector had quite an influence. Great read if you can find the article.

[soccersaver97]

Dang, I wish I saw this thread yesterday when I could have picked up a Titus for $30 that would have been a PSA 4 or 5 when graded

[JohnP0621]

I agree that the Titus cards are being Hoarded. After checking the Winning Bidders ID on the last few Titus that sold on Ebay,Most of them were Won by the same Bidder. Not sure about the BIN as they do not show buyers ID.
I dont understand the Hoarding aspect of collecting the same card unless you are doing a back run, But to each his own. Im curious to see how much higher the prices of his card sells for. They have already tripled in price since I purchased mine approx. a year ago.

John P

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by JohnP0621

I agree that the Titus cards are being Hoarded. After checking the Winning Bidders ID on the last few Titus that sold on Ebay,Most of them were Won by the same Bidder. Not sure about the BIN as they do not show buyers ID.
I dont understand the Hoarding aspect of collecting the same card unless you are doing a back run, But to each his own. Im curious to see how much higher the prices of his card sells for. They have already tripled in price since I purchased mine approx. a year ago.

John P

Maybe it's a conspiracy I still would like to see proof of the so-called "hoarder". John, you are more than welcome to buy my PSA 6....

[sreader3]

Yes, there is a Titus hoarder. eBay ID is s**h.

Per Card Target, that eBay ID has bought 55 Titus cards since July 2011.

You have to figure they've picked up at least a few more in "off eBay" auctions.

I look forward to the Titus bubble bursting--along with the Shag bubble.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Yes, there is a Titus hoarder. eBay ID is s**h.

Per Card Target, that eBay ID has bought 55 Titus cards since July 2011.

You have to figure they've picked up at least a few more in "off eBay" auctions.

I look forward to the Titus bubble bursting--along with the Shag bubble.

I believe there was a thread on this before that reveals the name of the hoarder...archive time!

You mentioned Shag's bubble bursting...is he being hoarded or something?


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[sreader3]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

I believe there was a thread on this before that reveals the name of the hoarder...archive time!

You mentioned Shag's bubble bursting...is he being hoarded or something?


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Hey Mike,

I don't necessarily think the Shag thing is hoarding--more just a false notion that Shag is somehow tougher than other southern leaguers. Which he isn't.

Truth be told, the toughest southern leaguer is Viola (Violat). [Now I've just started the Viola (Violat) bubble. See how easy it is?]

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Yes, there is a Titus hoarder. eBay ID is s**h.

Per Card Target, that eBay ID has bought 55 Titus cards since July 2011.

You have to figure they've picked up at least a few more in "off eBay" auctions.

I look forward to the Titus bubble bursting--along with the Shag bubble.

^^^ This says it all. Someone has created a manufactured scarcity, turned a relatively common card into what some are now perceiving as a tough common. It's only tough because someone thought of a way to make some bucks- by hoarding them to create the manufactured scarcity. It's a free country, and it's not illegal or anything- but morally and ethically, not so sure on that.

I know this is not some "ingenious" idea- MANY sellers I'm sure have been aware that they could take this "low road" but didn't. The problem with it is, that the person doing this (whomever it is) will only be encouraged by how well this worked for him/her, and we will all of a sudden be finding new "false tough commons" bringing in ridiculous amounts of money for this individual/s.

And, imagine if this bogus modem of operandi catches on, and more sellers start pondering the thought of doing this? Talk about a bubble! I just think it's wrong-it's NOT a scarce card in the truest sense. It's a common with a mustache , and a cool card. In the end, to me, it's a lousy way to mislead collectors-especially new collectors.

Sincerely, Clayton

[The Nasty Nati]

Ha well I realize this topic has been beaten to death but I'm more curious about when specifically (like in the 80's, 90's, etc.), did this card start to really gain popularity with collectors.

Also, has anyone noticed a trend with any other T206 cards where a common seems to be asking for higher and higher prices? For example, the Pelty Horizontal has been surging in prices lately, any others?

[teetwoohsix]

This card used to be as easy to get as most other commons. Now, as you can see in this thread- it seems that someone bought up as many as possible- creating a manufactured scarcity.

I will never pay an inflated price for a card that someone does this with, and in my opinion it's a pretty crappy thing to do (create a manufactured scarcity) to collectors.

Sincerely, Clayton

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

This card used to be as easy to get as most other commons. Now, as you can see in this thread- it seems that someone bought up as many as possible- creating a manufactured scarcity.



I will never pay an inflated price for a card that someone does this with, and in my opinion it's a pretty crappy thing to do (create a manufactured scarcity) to collectors.



Sincerely, Clayton

I agree with Clayton here. I remember when I first started collecting T206's and Titus was definitely as easy as any other and over the course of a year or so, he exploded! I highly doubt I will be paying a few hundred dollars for a PSA 2...especially for a card that simply isn't worth it.



As far as Pelty goes, I don't remember him bringing too much of a premium besides the normal slight premium for being a horizontal card. Lately Pelty has soared and I'm not sure why. I'm not sure how any card that is a common and not designated as a tough common necessarily, becomes tough...unless like Clayton mentioned above...manufactured scarcity.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

I agree with Clayton here. I remember when I first started collecting T206's and Titus was definitely as easy as any other and over the course of a year or so, he exploded! I highly doubt I will be paying a few hundred dollars for a PSA 2...especially for a card that simply isn't worth it.

As far as Pelty goes, I don't remember him bringing too much of a premium besides the normal slight premium for being a vertical card. Lately Pelty has soared and I'm not sure why. I'm not sure how any card that is a common and not designated as a tough common necessarily, becomes tough...unless like Clayton mentioned above...manufactured scarcity.

Thanks Mike!!

I'm glad you see what is going on. I'm not sure about the Pelty, but I think we have enough on the Titus to understand what's going on with that. I've always seen the horizontal cards being slightly higher- but not like some of the ridiculous prices the Titus cards seem to be fetching.

I want to say I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad for paying too much for a Titus-I am more pissed that I feel some people have been taken advantage of by someone who knows exactly what they are doing by creating the manufactured scarcity of a common card.

Sincerely, Clayton

[glynparson]

This and I fail to see how this is a low road or morally ambiguous. How is it taking advantage of anyone? A baseball card is never a necessity regardless of how we feel about them. I'd be much more concerned with people polluting water then buying up the rights to clean water. We need that to survive we don't need a baseball card. If the same individual purchased 55+ on eBay they were available for others to purchase they just had to pop in one cent higher then the hoarder, who I believe we all know why is he above mention?

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by glynparson

This and I fail to see how this is a low road or morally ambiguous. How is it taking advantage of anyone? A baseball card is never a necessity regardless of how we feel about them. I'd be much more concerned with people polluting water then buying up the rights to clean water. We need that to survive we don't need a baseball card. If the same individual purchased 55+ on eBay they were available for others to purchase they just had to pop in one cent higher then the hoarder, who I believe we all know why is he above mention?

Well, in my mind you have to take a look at the domino effect. If someone creates a manufactured scarcity by buying up all of one particular card- the next thing to follow, is the scenario of other dealers upping the price of their Titus cards-because of course, who wants to leave money on the table? If they sell their PSA 2 for $35.00, when they know one just sold for $200.00 (due to the manufactured scarcity that one dealer created)- they know they are losing money. What dealer wants to lose money? None.

So,,, now, in effect- the hoarder has not only raised the prices for the cards he/she hoarded to create the manufactured scarcity-but the domino effect is other dealers pricing their cards to match what people are paying to the original hoarder. Make sense?

I don't know who it is, or why the person/s are above mention- I'm referring to the obvious scenario. And, I know you have been collecting for a long time, you know this isn't a truly scarce card.

Yes, we can certainly live without any card And, we can't live without water. And, as I said-it's a free country and it's not illegal- I guess it's a matter of principal. And, I may have a biased perspective, because I just collect cards and I don't deal them. So, this practice- purely from a collectors POV, pretty much sucks.

Sincerely, Clayton

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

As far as Pelty goes, I don't remember him bringing too much of a premium besides the normal slight premium for being a horizontal card. Lately Pelty has soared and I'm not sure why.

Pelty is the one horizontal card that I am missing.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

Pelty is the one horizontal card that I am missing.

I feel ya, Alex. Pelty doesn't come up too often and when he does, he usually goes for $100+ in poor-fair condition. Sooner or later you will get one.


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[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

I feel ya, Alex. Pelty doesn't come up too often and when he does, he usually goes for $100+ in poor-fair condition. Sooner or later you will get one.


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On my budget that is too high. I will get him one of these days.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

Ha well I realize this topic has been beaten to death but I'm more curious about when specifically (like in the 80's, 90's, etc.), did this card start to really gain popularity with collectors.

Also, has anyone noticed a trend with any other T206 cards where a common seems to be asking for higher and higher prices? For example, the Pelty Horizontal has been surging in prices lately, any others?

I believe Titimania began about 3 or 4 years ago...before then he was a common fellow.

Brian