The Response

AMBST95 · #1 08-28-2013, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Thirteen

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....

and if she weighs the same as a duck then....

She's a witch!

Peter_Spaeth · #2 08-28-2013, 09:00 PM

The differences in the O'Rourke along the right border are pretty dramatic, I doubt a scanner could account for them especially as the scans seems to be at the same settings otherwise.

calvindog · #3 08-28-2013, 09:10 PM

You're getting sued too.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 08-28-2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

You're getting sued too.

I know one lawyer not to call.

gnaz01 · #5 08-28-2013, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by peter_spaeth

i know one lawyer not to call.

lol!!

calvindog · #6 08-28-2013, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I know one lawyer not to call.

Pffffffffft lose my number. You'll probably try to give me that Cobb for payment.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 08-28-2013, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Pffffffffft lose my number. You'll probably try to give me that Cobb for payment.

Gotta bump it first.

nsaddict · #8 08-28-2013, 10:28 PM

I doubt he will post again as his response was lackluster. Although he is logged in and reading this thread as I type. Probably raised more questions than before. Here are a few ?'s I'd be interested to know:

1) The current business relationship between Rick and Joe?
2) The reason he left SGC as a grader?
3) Why he bid on cards that he won previously from Rick in a new higher grade?
4) Curious as hell to see what SGC deems on another look at the 34 Gehrig?

In relation to question 3:

http://tinyurl.com/n26j9a3

http://tinyurl.com/n72kbpg

And I did find it funny he changed his ebay ID when things were heating up, probably just pure coincidence

oldjudge · #9 08-29-2013, 02:46 PM

David--the three bids put in on the sale of the hockey card had no impact on the final price. There were three different bidders quite a bit above his highest bid. The lot would have sold for the same price whether he bid or not. Also, how do you know who the bought and submitted the three bids on the hockey card? It is the same person, but how from the bidding records do you know who it is?

tschock · #10 08-29-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

the three bids put in on the sale of the hockey card had no impact on the final price. There were three different bidders quite a bit above his highest bid. The lot would have sold for the same price whether he bid or not...

Ah, but the problem is with the intent, not the actual result. The INTENT was to influence the final price. THAT is the problem here. Doesn't matter whether or not he actually influenced it or not.

Should someone NOT be charged for ATTEMPTED robbery or bribery provided it didn't work?

nsaddict · #11 08-29-2013, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

David--the three bids put in on the sale of the hockey card had no impact on the final price. There were three different bidders quite a bit above his highest bid. The lot would have sold for the same price whether he bid or not. Also, how do you know who the bought and submitted the three bids on the hockey card? It is the same person, but how from the bidding records do you know who it is?

Sorry, but I disagree. Perhaps his bid had no impact on the final price of this particular auction. But doing so is criminal in my mind. Why not start with a higher amount or a reserve? Isn't a well know auctioneer getting jail time for this very thing?

vintagetoppsguy · #12 08-29-2013, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

David--the three bids put in on the sale of the hockey card had no impact on the final price. There were three different bidders quite a bit above his highest bid. The lot would have sold for the same price whether he bid or not.

I understand your point that the bids had no impact on the final price, but regardless, it's still shill bidding. Please keep in mind, this is one card of many he has shilled.

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

Also, how do you know who the bought and submitted the three bids on the hockey card? It is the same person, but how from the bidding records do you know who it is?

This is done through feedback. I usually look at the feedback the seller leaves for the buyer, because the buyers usually don't leave feedback in these cases (less chance of being caught). To show you how it works, let's use the Gehrig that Panky doctored...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281122751526...1#ht_23wt_1200

1.) Open the auction and click on the bid history.
2.) It shows 9***8 (408) as the winner. That never changes from auction to auction, only the number in parenthesis (the feedback) will change.
3.) Now open the sellers feedback and click on "Feedback left for others."
4.) Scroll down until you find the bidder with 408 feedback.
5.) You'll see that it's member cgseller89.
6.) Once you know the username, it's easy to track from auction to auction

alanu · #13 08-29-2013, 07:50 PM

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I think the biggest bump or drop by crossing over cards, is going from Authentic to a Numeric Grade and vice versa.

I've had the former happen several times concerning Diamond Stars and Goudeys.

EvilKing00 · #14 08-29-2013, 08:18 PM

Wow go on a short vacation for a few days and miss all this.

vintagetoppsguy · #15 08-28-2013, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The differences in the O'Rourke along the right border are pretty dramatic, I doubt a scanner could account for them especially as the scans seems to be at the same settings otherwise.

Exactly. Here are the two side by side for comparison. What happened to all the blue print marks? If they were scanned by 2 different scanners, that might account for some of it, but they were both scanned by Probstein and I doubt he changed the scanner settings.

Note: I reduced the size of the images. If you go back to the thread and look at the supersized images, it's even more obvious.

MattyC · #16 08-28-2013, 09:22 PM

Curiously, the flip is whiter/brighter in the 8 scan. Is it safe to assume PSA used the same paper stock for both of those flips?

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