It's now official - Mastro trimmed hisT206 Wagner

[E93]

Originally Posted by ruth-gehrig

If it was a collaboration between Mastro and PSA/Orlando will it get admitted to???

For the record, Orlando did not start working at PSA until years after that Wagner was graded. It was the first card PSA graded.

As for the best unaltered Wagner, I think the PSA 5 (not the Jumbo PSA 5 MC) and three raw Wagners in private hands are the top candidates. The Jumbo would probably rank around #5 IMHO. It is a phenomenal card, but there are a few that are slightly better in my opinion, mostly due to not having the angle cut and top of the the adjoining card on the sheet showing.
JimB

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jim, notwithstanding his non-involvement I suspect Joe Orlando has known the truth about the card for some time, but that's just a personal opinion. It will be very interesting to see what David Hall -- who was there -- directs PSA to do now.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by E93

For the record, Orlando did not start working at PSA until years after that Wagner was graded. It was the first card PSA graded.

As for the best unaltered Wagner, I think the PSA 5 (not the Jumbo PSA 5 MC) and three raw Wagners in private hands are the top candidates. The Jumbo would probably rank around #5 IMHO. It is a phenomenal card, but there are a few that are slightly better in my opinion, mostly due to not having the angle cut and top of the the adjoining card on the sheet showing.
JimB

+1

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by E93

As for the best unaltered Wagner, I think the PSA 5 (not the Jumbo PSA 5 MC) and three raw Wagners in private hands are the top candidates.
JimB

Why on earth would someone not have their raw Wagner T206 graded and slabbed?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by auggiedoggy

Why on earth would someone not have their raw Wagner T206 graded and slabbed?

If you know it's real and have no intention of selling it, why bother?

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If you know it's real and have no intention of selling it, why bother?

Why? Because no one lives forever and you can't take it with you. Well, you could but it would be stupid.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by auggiedoggy

Why? Because no one lives forever and you can't take it with you. Well, you could but it would be stupid.

I am sure the folks who own raw Wagners never thought of that, but perhaps they are reading this thread and will be grateful for your input.

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am sure the folks who own raw Wagners never thought of that, but perhaps they are reading this thread and will be grateful for your input.

I am open to counselling these poor souls. Obviously they need my help. The first step is admitting it. I'm here for them.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by auggiedoggy

Why? Because no one lives forever and you can't take it with you. Well, you could but it would be stupid.

What does life or death have to do with getting a card slabbed? Have we slipped that far?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Paul S

What does life or death have to do with getting a card slabbed? Have we slipped that far?

That makes two of us who should not have bothered to respond.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by auggiedoggy

Why on earth would someone not have their raw Wagner T206 graded and slabbed?

If you are not going to sell it, and are not a slab collector, why on earth WOULD you?

I think the current owner of the Mastro Wagner got it right.

[barrysloate]

The finest untrimmed Wagner is owned by one of our board members and he has no intention of ever getting it professionally graded. He's simply not interested and doesn't care.

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

The finest untrimmed Wagner is owned by one of our board members and he has no intention of ever getting it professionally graded. He's simply not interested and doesn't care.

Any pic ?

Originally Posted by E93

For the record, Orlando did not start working at PSA until years after that Wagner was graded. It was the first card PSA graded.

As for the best unaltered Wagner, I think the PSA 5 (not the Jumbo PSA 5 MC) and three raw Wagners in private hands are the top candidates. The Jumbo would probably rank around #5 IMHO. It is a phenomenal card, but there are a few that are slightly better in my opinion, mostly due to not having the angle cut and top of the the adjoining card on the sheet showing.
JimB

It is verry cool that 3 great condition Wagner is still Raw in private collection

Any pic of these 3 Raw Wagner ?

[barrysloate]

Nelson- I believe he has posted it before. Also, it is pictured in an archive of T206 Wagners that I of course have no idea how to find.

[ruth-gehrig]

Is it known who exactly was in the room when the card was graded? Was Mastro there??

[jhs5120]

Personally, I have no problem with that Wagner designated an "8" - let's face it, it is a near mint card. Trimmed or not. There have always been rumors surrounding that card and I personally have no problem making it an exception to the rule.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Nelson- I believe he has posted it before. Also, it is pictured in an archive of T206 Wagners that I of course have no idea how to find.

This is the image Barry's referring to:

[Runscott]

It's interesting how all of this has played out. For years we were told that there were original photos of the untrimmed Gretzky Wagner, yet no one would post them. Then a book comes out with 'the picture', and it's horrible and you still can't tell

Given that Mastro has now admitted to the trimming, will we finally get to see a clear, color photo of what it looked like before?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

This is the image Barry's referring to:

Thanks for posting it Corey. A truly spectacular card.

[Rickyy]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

This is the image Barry's referring to:

Beautiful.

Ricky Y

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

This is the image Barry's referring to:

wow nice Wagner. The owner of that card is a member here ?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by g_vezina_c55

wow nice Wagner. The owner of that card is a member here ?

you are commenting to him (not me)

[g_vezina_c55]

Oh ok !
Thanks Leon ! Amazing card !

Any cool past stories behind this Wagner ?

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

This is the image Barry's referring to:

That's a beauty!!!

How did you come across this card?

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

This is the image Barry's referring to:

Wow !!! Beautiful Wagner !!!

Thanks for posting that-

Sincerely, Clayton

[glynparson]

Qualifiers post. If not for the qualifier the card would be a 3 at best. Several examples in this neighborhood. If this were not as Wagner but say a 1954 aaron it would probably sell for less than a 3. The grade of a card is effected by imperfections to disregard them is laughable in my opinion.

[RCMcKenzie]

I know that when I first got back into the hobby in the late 90's early 2000's everyone loved them some Mastro and hated Broadway Rick on the message boards, Now, you guys want to crucify Mastro. We want Barabus or Broadway Rick. It's just a hobby, or should be just a hobby.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by glynparson

I don't understand the I don't care aboutQualifiers post. If not for the qualifier the card would be a 3 at best. Several examples in this neighborhood. If this were not as Wagner but say a 1954 aaron it would probably sell for less than a 3. The grade of a card is effected by imperfections to disregard them is laughable in my opinion.

I don't care about qualifiers. What is hard to understand?

I have never cared about cards that are centered or not centered (If anything I prefer the non centered cards). I have posted about this on other threads, it isn't just regarding the Wagner. I also know I am in the minority, but every one has preferences in this hobby and factory caused flaws don't bother me. It is the after factory flaws that I want to be graded.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by E93

For the record, Orlando did not start working at PSA until years after that Wagner was graded. It was the first card PSA graded.

Exactly, Joe is what in his late 30's? That puts him around 16-17 years old when the card was graded. He was still popping pimples and learning how to drive when that decision was being made. A little too much emphasis on Orlando when it comes to PSA's role in the card, lol.