Signed by Rocky Marciano or an elaborate hoax?

[toybulldog]

Currently up for auction, are these items actually signed by Rocky Marciano or are they part of an elaborate hoax? PSA/DNA loa's, notary public witnessed letter of provenance, newspaper article, photos of Marciano with the alledged owner, claims of training used for Walcott, claim of uniqeness by the auction house?

http://www.goldinauctions.com/LotDet...oth-Gloves-Si#

PSA/DNA, can you come on here and show us any supporting evidence for these alledgedly signed 1969 Rocky Marciano items?


Do the above items match up with actual late 1960's Marciano signed items below or is PSA/DNA rewriting both history and the signature of Rocky Marciano?


PSA/DNA, how about some supporting evidence for a few of your other Rocky Marciano's?




Is there an exchange going on between these TPA's and auction houses? Are auction houses, in a sense, giving TPA's a power by insisting items need to be authenticated by them in order to be included in their auctions? Is this an example of a TPA passing a non-authetic item thus adding false value for an auction house?

Estimated value $25,000... bend over

[travrosty]

that looks nothing like a 69 signature and i would love to see exemplars, i think they are relying on the provenance. anyone can have a letter made up.

i doubt it marciano would sign the year next to his name, and it seems to be in sharpie or a black felt pen and they just didnt use them in the 1960's. photos and and gloves that are legit are 99.9 percent signed in ink pen. it just doesnt add up but here they go again.

[travrosty]

i think ken should change the wording. it is confusing as it seems to say that psa authenticated the signed and worn glove.

when psa does not authenticate fight or training worn gloves, only signatures, the claim that it is worn has not been authenticated by psa or anyone and i think the wording should reflect that.

Also, I think Ken should answer to the charges that two of the top boxing autograph guys around strongly believe that this is not marciano's signature.

Ken?

[travrosty]

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[Exhibitman]

Don't know about the sigs but the blanket statement re the availability of permanent ink felt tips is wrong. Permanent ink felt tips were invented in the 1950s and were widely marketed under the "Magic Marker" brand by the early 1960s. They were state of the art for the advertising industry by the late 1960s and sold in stationary stores. My mom was in advertising at the time and I recall going to her office as a little boy and being set up in the art department to play with the hundreds of markers. And trust me, I know from experience that they wrote on everything: walls, doors, floors...

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Don't know about the sigs but the blanket statement re the availability of permanent ink felt tips is wrong. Permanent ink felt tips were invented in the 1950s and were widely marketed under the "Magic Marker" brand by the early 1960s. They were state of the art for the advertising industry by the late 1960s and sold in stationary stores. My mom was in advertising at the time and I recall going to her office as a little boy and being set up in the art department to play with the hundreds of markers. And trust me, I know from experience that they wrote on everything: walls, doors, floors...

pay attention, i didnt say they werent available, i said they just werent used for signing autographs. people just didnt think of it. sharpies were invented in the 1960's but were hardly ever used until the 1980's

[travrosty]

i conversed with ken and he changed the wording and he is generally concerned about the glove and wants accuracy above everything else. many times in the past i have been brushed off by auction houses, but not by ken.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by travrosty

that looks nothing like a 69 signature and i would love to see exemplars, i think they are relying on the provenance. anyone can have a letter made up.

i doubt it marciano would sign the year next to his name, and it seems to be in sharpie or a black felt pen and they just didnt use them in the 1960's. photos and and gloves that are legit are 99.9 percent signed in ink pen. it just doesnt add up but here they go again.

I know nothing about Marciano or boxing signatures like you guys do, but love your thoughts on these. But maybe whoever got the "Marciano" wrote the date next to the signature. From signatures of anyone that have dated the item, this kind of seems off to the side from the signature, so maybe the original owner dated it to remember. Usually if the signer dates an item, it's usually closer to the signature...just my thoughts, but excited to see where this goes.

Brent

[RichardSimon]

I don't profess to be an expert on boxing but I am familiar with certain signatures. I must say that the index card with a purported Marciano signature sure looks very different from the authentic Marciano's that I have seen.
It is appropriate that it has its own personal casket.

[D. Bergin]

Jeez, if I had a nickel for every call I've gotten over the years from somebody claiming they (or their uncles, cousins, grandfathers, fathers) were buddies with Rocky and they've got the gloves (or sparring gloves) from the Walcott, Charles, Louis fights..................I'd have at least a couple bucks.


Rocky must have had a stash of gloves he gave out to anybody who asked. We all know he was a bit paranoid AND eccentric about certain things.

I wouldn't touch those gloves with a fishing pole. That index card looks horrible to. A Lou Marciano special, perhaps?

[JimStinson]

The index card is a scribbled Rocky GRAZIANO , former middleweight champ etc etc , the original collector appeared to have not been able to read it either and just pasted a pic of Marciano next to it and then who ever slabbed it just took his word for it

[dade305cane]

I hope I did this right, anyway I need to know what you guys think of the signature on the ad I know it is not typical of Rocky but I see some similarities.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by dade305cane

I hope I did this right, anyway I need to know what you guys think of the signature on the ad I know it is not typical of Rocky but I see some similarities.

please start a new thread and post picture.

[toybulldog]

Need opinions on my Marciano signed Holland Furnace ad

I hope I did this right, anyway I need to know what you guys think of the signature on the ad I know it is not typical of Rocky but I see some similarities.

If you're referring to the one shown in post #35 of this thread and pictured below left along with another similar one below right, no these are not authentic and are a common forged version. Similar to the one in the middle "authenticated" by guess who? This company offers letters of authenticity but they do not authenticate autographs.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by toybulldog

If you're referring to the one shown in post #35 of this thread and pictured below left along with another similar one below right, no these are not authentic and are a common forged version. Similar to the one in the middle "authenticated" by guess who? This company offers letters of authenticity but they do not authenticate autographs.

In agreement. This type of supposed Marciano autograph never passed muster and I never liked it and wouldn't authenticate it as real. but abc company did so s.g. must be right and the rest of us wrong.

[earlywynnfan]

Travis, I'm wondering if you got a chance to see the "authenticators" thread? I'm waiting for you to denounce that ANL site as utter garbage, since it so obviously is.

Ken

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Travis, I'm wondering if you got a chance to see the "authenticators" thread? I'm waiting for you to denounce that ANL site as utter garbage, since it so obviously is.

Ken

Respectfully, you are falling for their games, i had nothing to do with it, they brought it here. why single me out if they are not saying i am guilty? They can play games. I have boxing autographs to blog about. Did they send the same demand to all of the hundreds of members of net54? why not?