t205 vs t206...Which Do You Like Best?

[BobC]

Originally Posted by G1911

Some of the T220’s list annual statistics, chronologically by year. You said all sports, thus the relative unpopularity of boxing seems to have nothing to do with what was originally posited. Besides baseball, different sports were popular a century ago.

If it’s about modern inspiration, that probably has nothing to do with T205’s whatsoever either. That probably goes back to 1952 Topps at the earliest. Most modern designs are not copying old styles at all anyways, but drawing on recent designs, except for the copy/paste heritage type sets. T205’s are not the model for 2021 Topps backs.

If asking others for input on questions of firsts is a problem, because a set might not be known by all, well, okay! There’s little point in anyone ever discussing anything at all by that logic.

I never expected or anticipated someone to try and bring up boxing, golf cards, or the like because those are not comparable to sports where you have seasons and stats shown as on the backs of cards like the T205s, and how similar they are to modern cards for baseball and other major team sports. I should know there are always going to be some who twist things for their own purposes or meanings so as to criticize others. Boxing's popularity now or then has nothing to do with this as listing the results of several fights is totally different than listing a player's annual stats in a season by season format, as shown on the T205 cards, which is what I was referring to. I don't think I've ever seen a modern baseball card issue that shows how all the players did game by game, which is what these boxing card stats you referenced do, show how the fighter performed event by event. Which as far as I'm concerned shows you either don't understand my point at all, or are just possibly trying to be a troll?

To me the idea that the T205 cards were the first ever to be like how they show bio info and annual statistics on cards today was one of the things that attracted me to them. Were they the true inspiration for how modern cards display a player's annual stats, maybe, maybe not, who really knows for sure? You citing 1952 Topps as the inspiration for modern cards is not accurate. I think of 1952 Topps as the start of modern cards, whose design may have been inspired by things like what was shown on T205 cards. That was the reference I was making and referring to. You want to call me out on what your differing thoughts and opinions are on what constitutes the way modern cards are described, go right ahead. It certainly doesn't make you right or me wrong. I can't, nor would I ever try to, prove that the way season stats were portrayed on the backs of T205 cards was the true inspiration for how they ended up being shown on '52 Topps cards, but you can't prove to me they weren't either. And since I'm not aware of an earlier set that ever showed seasonal player stats prior to how it was shown on the T205s, the T205s could have very well been an influence or even indirect inspiration to the '52 Topps production after all. I'm assuming that whenever people designing sports cards go to produce them that they often study and examine previous major card issues of others to possibly glean ideas and insights for their own new card issue (like listing player stats season by season), and to not erroneously copy other designs without full knowledge and intent in doing so. And as for asking others for information on earlier examples of sets, quit trying to be snarky by somehow inferring that I'm then making that out to be problem, which is exactly what you're trying to do. You are, or at least should be, better than that. I am pretty familiar with all the main baseball sets listed in the old SCD catalogs over the years, and am fairly confident that there isn't going to be any earlier baseball card issues that show individual player season's stats like they do on the T205s, along with player bios. But I also know that I clearly don't know everything (and in fact know very little), and am well aware there could be some weird, obscure, or only recently discovered set out there I've never heard of before that does have some similar seasonal player stats and bios on the back. But if there is, I think it fair to speculate that it is so rare and obscure, or possibly even unknown at the time, that the people designing the '52 Topps set (Sy Berger right?) wouldn't have been aware of and/or used it for potential design and layout ideas like they would have with a much more well known and popular set like the T205s. It is no problem, just something that makes logical common sense if some weird and obscure earlier issue does in fact exist, and contrary to what you're trying to say by twisting my words and meanings into what I never intended.