Most undervalued HOFers

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by timn1

I think everybody recognizes his uniqueness - I certainly do. And that's the basis of his appeal to collectors. I've never disputed any of that. But as you acknowledge, that doesn't necessarily equate to greatness, and my comments have been intended to maintain that distinction rather than letting it get blurred.



Just FYI, here are some of the team records of Ryan and his contemporaries.



Ryan's teams with his decisions: 2062-2010.5064

without his decisions 1738-1718.5029

He improved his teams' Win PCT by .0035



Carlton's teams with his decisions: 1789-1578.5313

without his decisions 1460-1334.5225

He improved his teams' Win PCT by .0078



Jenkins's teams with his decisions: 1441-1405.5063

without his decisions 1157-1179.4952

He improved his teams' Win PCT by .0110



Palmer's teams with his decisions: 1756-1242.5857

without his decisions 1488-1090.5772

He improved his teams' Win PCT by .0085



Seaver's teams with his decisions: 1592-1584.5013

without his decisions 1281-1379.4816

He improved his teams' Win PCT by .0197



Blyleven's teams with his decisions: 1592-1584.5013

without his decisions 1281-1379.4816

He improved his teams' Win PCT by .0197



Sutton's teams with his decisions: 1918-1662.5358

without his decisions 1594-1406.5313

He improved his teams' Win PCT by .0045



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That is a really useless way to evaluate a pitcher's value to a team. Actually, it's more useless than wins, which is also a useless stat.