Most undervalued HOFers

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Adam Warshaw has dealt thoughtfully with this exact topic in his blog:

Why Mantle? - Adam's Card Blog

Yes, & this was great.

You seem to see more of the "Why Mantle?" still being played out over in other forums like Blowout, where the vintage audience is ostensibly younger and still learning.

I think the '52 Topps does have a lot to do with it. Much like Burdick and other super early collectors anointed the T206 Wagner, probably in the 1930's - the same kind of run up was done for the #311 in the late 70's and early 80's by people like Alan Rosen.

The other thing with Mantle plus all the contributing factors just seems to be really good timing. He was at the perfect intersection of time and sport (MLB in NY in the 50's) - and then also at the perfect intersection of time and hobby when cards went from an underground nerdy thing in the 70's to a big business retail thing by the mid-80's. Those retail dealers saw to it that he became the hobby torchbearer for their generation pretty early, and never looked back.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Yes, & this was great.

You seem to see more of the "Why Mantle?" still being played out over in other forums like Blowout, where the vintage audience is ostensibly younger and still learning.

I think the '52 Topps does have a lot to do with it. Much like Burdick and other super early collectors anointed the T206 Wagner, probably in the 1930's - the same kind of run up was done for the #311 in the late 70's and early 80's by people like Alan Rosen.

The other thing with Mantle plus all the contributing factors just seems to be really good timing. He was at the perfect intersection of time and sport (MLB in NY in the 50's) - and then also at the perfect intersection of time and hobby when cards went from an underground nerdy thing in the 70's to a big business retail thing by the mid-80's. Those retail dealers saw to it that he became the hobby torchbearer for their generation pretty early, and never looked back.

It's not just NY -- it's the YANKEES. Plus, as we've discussed many times, the switch hitter thing, the tape measure HRs, the playing through pain, the aw shucks folk hero personality, etc.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's not just NY -- it's the YANKEES. Plus, as we've discussed many times, the switch hitter thing, the tape measure HRs, the playing through pain, the aw shucks folk hero personality, etc.

Agreed.

Adam's blog post mentions Mays being at best indifferent and at worst rude at least during his later show circuit years, and that seems to hold up for me. Mantle is an interesting case - as he was often less than sober at such events, and has if perhaps less - at least a few similar horror stories.

But Mantle for the most part was perceived as a happy drunk, and the media and popular culture bore out that image for him during the 1980's.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

I think the '52 Topps does have a lot to do with it. Much like Burdick and other super early collectors anointed the T206 Wagner, probably in the 1930's - the same kind of run up was done for the #311 in the late 70's and early 80's by people like Alan Rosen.

The other thing with Mantle plus all the contributing factors just seems to be really good timing. He was at the perfect intersection of time and sport (MLB in NY in the 50's) - and then also at the perfect intersection of time and hobby when cards went from an underground nerdy thing in the 70's to a big business retail thing by the mid-80's. Those retail dealers saw to it that he became the hobby torchbearer for their generation pretty early, and never looked back.

I agree. Both timing and promotion were key elements in Mickey Mantle cards becoming "the" grail.