Advice Needed - Spooned Card In SGC Holder

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Posted By: jason

Hi guys, I just purchased a card in an SGC holder on Ebay. When it arrived I found to my dissatisfaction that it was clearly spooned (shinny areas over several wrinkles).

Is it acceptable for a grading company to give a card a numerical grade when it has been tampered with in such a way?

If, as I suspect it is not, and the graders have overlooked it, who do I go after the grader or the person who sold it (no mention about alteration in the ebay write up) ?

Thanks for your advice in advance.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Hi Jason- hope you are well. Why don't you just send an email to SGC and see what they have to say. That should work out.

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Posted By: Matt

Jason - give Michael at SGC a call - I bet they'd be willing to review the card and if found to be spooned, buy it back from you.

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Posted By: jason

Thanks Barry & Matt.

I'll do that.

I take it then that it is not acceptable for a spooned card to receive a numerical grade?

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Posted By: dan mckee

spooned? how can you be sure it was purposely spooned and not accidently dented in that area? I have never heard of removing a crease with a spoon. A dough roller, soaking in water but never a spoon. I actually watched a guy use a pencil on a T206 Plank back around 1983. That worked well to my amazement at the time.

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Posted By: jason

Hi Dan,

I am pretty certain it is spooned. I saw this done quite a bit in the 80s before the grading companies came to the fore.

The technique is as simple as rolling the underside of a spoon over the afflicted area to iron/flatten out the wrinkles.

I am sure it is not just a dent as the card has about 5 small wrinkles on multiple areas of the card. The shining (by product of spoon pressure) to the surface only appears right on each of the 5 wrinkles and nowhere else.

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Posted By: leon

No doubt people have tried to get creases out with spoons. I have a Dockman Young with a spooned crease. As mentioned you can tell by the shiny area of the crease. If I were a grading company I would count it exactly like the crease was still there. Nothing has been added or taken away.....but that is just me and I don't know how they will grade such a card. I know they treat an erased mark, with an indention left, the same way they do the mark, as if it were not erased.......regards

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Posted By: barry arnold

as suggested, I would give Michael Goldberg of SGC a call.
he has always been incredibly helpful to me and has top drawer discernment and judgment in these areas.
he is one of the absolute best in this business.

all the best,
barry

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Posted By: T206Collector

Ditto.

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Posted By: dan mckee

Interesting, I will try that tonight to see the difference. I have beaters I can destroy.

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Posted By: leon

I bought this at a National about 7-8 yrs ago, raw, and it's still raw. The upper left corner shows a crease and in person the top of the crease is shiny. It is very obvious it has been "spooned".....

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Posted By: dan mckee

Isn't there a song called "Spoon Man"?

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Posted By: peter ullman

soundgarden.