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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Hi All: |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: CLAUDE
Just got 12 back from SGC last week....all have blank backs. Also had a Ruth & Gehrig a few months ago that were also blank backs. I can post scans when I get home tonite. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
#13 Rogers Hornsby |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: cmoking
Ruth |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Brian
Very nice Ruth....if you ever want to part with it, please let me know! |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: CLAUDE
Ruth & Gehrig.....blank backs. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Thanks, guys. I appreciate your help. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: cmoking
Al, do you know how the W502 were issued? Were they issued with some product. I think most or maybe all (except the Ruth maybe) has the same image as the 1928 Ice Cream cards - Yuengling, Tharps, Harrington. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I have no idea, King. I don't think anybody does. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Paul
I've got five of them, & I'll post the requested back info this Saturday or Sunday. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Paul
Here's my five: |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Thanks, Paul. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Todd Schultz
I cannot find my ACC. Maybe someone could look up the w502 description to see if there is mention of any printing on the back. It would be nice to know the cuts, also. Frankly, I don't recall ever seeing a hack job cut on a w502, unlike the cartoonish looking strip cards. Are they truly hand cut, or possibly machine cut? If the latter, why not call them blank-backed Tharp or Sweetman? |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I agree, Todd, I definitely do not think these were hand cut. PSA labels them that way, SGC does not. I've never seen one with a funky cut, I've never seen one hacked away with a jack knife (like you see with a lot of strip cards), and they're all pretty much the same size. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: David Smith
My meager contribution. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
So what do we have here with the w502s? Two board members with a dozen or so examples represent 80% of the Net54 holdings in this set? |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Anonymous
Google searches for "yuengling ice cream" and "tharp's ice cream" give websites for the Yuengling Brewery of Pottsville, PA which in the 1920s opened a dairy and sold ice cream, and a website for a company named Tharp's Food Technology which states that the founder's family sold Tharp's Ice Cream in the '20s. According to Old Cardboard, Yuengling Ice Cream cards were issued in Pottsville, PA, so this is likely the same Yuengling. Maybe someone at one of these companies can help? |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Well Al, if I have counted right, so far we have five game backs reported. Hornsby, Ruth, Ruth, Smith, Speaker. However, so far you have yet to identify the 15 cards which you are in possession of. Please describe these, while we await the motherlode to arrive. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: bill
here's mine |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: jeff drum
Al, |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: CLAUDE
I have the following all in blank-backs: |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Thanks, guys, and thanks, Gil for bumping this thread. I was starting to get a little discouraged with the lack of response. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Just for the record, the tally so far: |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Okay, here's some new data that includes my cards: |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: jeff drum
Just picked up two more on BST tonight (thanks Rhys). Same Jones and Earl Sheeley - both blank backs. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
E210s have a similar back printing characteristic. Some are printed top to bottom, while others are printed bottom to top. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Gil: |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Brad Green
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Now THAT's interesting. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Bill Todd
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
As far as this part of your question, Al, "Were the blank-backed 1928s always lumped in with them?", Burdick made this choice. And my read of the 1960 ACC is that some poses and players are different between e210 and w502. Card numbers 2, 4, 6, 7, 11, 16 etc. are cited. Also card nos. 25, 31, 45, 46, 55 & 59 are listed as errors. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Bump. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Parmentier
Tough to classify the w502's - no company brand printing. But I do feel confident they are NOT hand-cut strip cards, as PSA claims. All the ones I see are nicely cut with even edges and 90 degree corners - not even close to those cartoonish colorized true strip cards. I had a Tris Speaker blank back, a Ty Cobb one-bagger, just picked up a Rogers Hornsby with back game writing. My guess is they were regionally issued as a card game, the blank backs being "outs" (could exlain why there are more of them, usually more outs than hits) or could be a different issue altogether. Regardless, the "w" strip card designation is probably wrong as these are not hand cut strip cards. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Just thought I'd bump this thread again, since it has something to do with cards, and since it's a project I'm still hoping to work on. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I bump this thread once in a while just to keep it visible among the sea of grading vs. raw vs. PSA vs. SGC vs. punk vs. classic rock vs. dinner vs. trimming threads. If anybody has any more info or any new cards they can tell me about, that would be a huge help. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: steve
Al, just back from PSA, much tougher than the 1928's. Back reads, "ONE BAGGER", second line, "Hold What You Got". Could all the Tharp's, Yuenglings, W502's come from one manufacturer, issued in sheets, and distributed to companies wanting cards with their products? |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Mark Lutz
AlC |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Darren
I have 3 1928 w502's |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Andy
I'm enjoying this thread as more people participate in it. I have a couple of questions for all of you. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I'm holding a 1928 Red Faber and a 1931 Red Faber side by side, and there is absolutely nothing about either card that would distinguish one from the other, except for the number. Both cards use the exact same image. Both cards are the exact same size. Stock appears the same. There really appears to be no way to tell the difference just by looking. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Here's a thread I started once, about baseball cards. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Ed Hans
I have #28 Mostil-One Bagger Hold What You Got-Bottom to Top. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Anonymous
I sold a W502 Ty Cobb blank back last weekend. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: boxingcardman
blank backed. What is it, exactly? |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: cmoking
I picked these up at the National (all except the Home Run). They were from the Mastro near set and in GAI holders. I had them crossed to SGC, and they did! |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Jim Manos
I have a SGC 40 Ruth blank back. Hope this helps... |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Zinn
Sheely |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Steve P.
Going through some old stuff and found 5 examples. 2 blank backs (35 - Judge, 39 - Falk), 2 one bagger, Hold what you got (11-Uhle, 16 - Rixey), and 1 that says "2 Two bagger Return to Storekeeper and Exchange for a Base Ball" (36 - Rice). I hadn't seen that one mentioned yet. |
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W502 Back Mystery
Posted By: Brad Green
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Thought I'd bump this since I'm getting back into the set. Just picked up five 1928 W502's from the B/S/T, but have no idea what the backs are yet. Will update when I have them in hand.
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