Cards From The B/S/T Finally Arrived!

[brianp-beme]

Let's make this a "Show us your 1948 Bowman cards" thread. I believe I have 4 or 5. Here is my laminated (with sliced top border) Ralph Kiner.

Brian

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Let's make this a "Show us your 1948 Bowman cards" thread. I believe I have 4 or 5. Here is my laminated (with sliced top border) Ralph Kiner.

Brian

I'll play. My only 48 Bowman Eddie Joost.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

I don't believe we've ever had a more educational 1948 Bowman thread, which begs the question,

What ever happened to Adrian?

Adrian? What about that lawyer from CA that suggested sending every BST transaction to Leon so he could remail to the opposing side? What was his name? Peter??

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Adrian? What about that lawyer from CA that suggested sending every BST transaction to Leon so he could remail to the opposing side? What was his name? Peter??

Peter Chao? The GOAT, if that's who you mean.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Oh, The Rules of Textual Interpretation!

How could I have missed that. Now everything makes sense.

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Interpreting Texts..... Who Knew!

Yes - It DOES have a life of it's own.....

Have you ever watched a movie with friends and then held a discussion afterwards in which you all completely disagree about how good the movie was? This is strange because surely you have all experienced exactly the same film, and so you should all have exactly the same response, right?

Of course, it is not so simple. Depending on the type of text that was experienced, the cultural backgrounds of the various audience members, and countless other reasons, it is possible for different people to respond to different texts in different ways.

Such things interest us in English classes, but there is an important clarification to make here: we are not focused on whether a text is good or bad, but rather how effective it is.

There are three broad questions we can ask to help us determine this:

What is the intended purpose of the text?

How does the creator attempt to achieve their intended purpose?

How effectively does the creator achieve their intended purpose?

Or, put more bluntly:

Why was the text created?

How was the text created?

How well was the text created?

Just as different people will agree or disagree about how good or bad a movie is, so too will different people offer different answers to these three questions.

In other words, everyone can offer a unique interpretation of a text.

Interpretation - a critical explanation of what a creator is trying to achieve in a given text.

When it comes to offering a textual interpretation, what matters is the evidence we use to support our claims. And what form should this evidence take? To make a convincing case in favor of our unique interpretation, we need to make specific references to the elements and techniques used by the creator to communicate meaning.

This is the reason we spend so much of our time in English classes pulling texts apart to see how they work. Once we can identify and understand the different "pieces" of a text, we can use this knowledge to establish what a creator is trying to achieve, and evaluate how effectively they accomplish this.

Importantly, this process involves finding connections between the different elements and techniques within a text. Just as the engine of a car needs lots of small components to work together to generate motion, so too do the different components of a text need to work together to create meaning.

Sharing Findings

Having formed an interpretation of what a creator is attempting to accomplish through their work, it is no good keeping this interpretation to ourselves—we need to share it!

This process begins with classroom discussion. Here, we have a chance to share our interpretations verbally with one another. It is through this sharing of ideas that we begin to unlock the underlying messages within texts, often catching things we missed the first time.

Our final interpretation of a text is usually shared in a more formal manner. This could be an essay or oral presentation, or some other medium which allows us to express our ideas in a comprehensive way. Here, we need to put together everything we have learned from our analysis to offer a convincing interpretation for our audience.

Importantly, we should not be afraid to change our interpretations throughout any stage of this process. Other students may challenge us in classroom discussions, and we may receive specific critiques in our draft feedback. This is good, as it encourages us to reconsider our interpretations, and improve them if the feedback is justified.

Top tip! Be willing to alter your interpretations based on what others have to say.

Literary texts are wonderful things, and the more we learn about how they work, the more we can appreciate their aesthetic qualities. We can also learn to admire or critique what they are trying to achieve, and then share our unique interpretations with others.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

Interpreting Texts..... Who Knew!

Yes - It DOES have a life of it's own.....

Have you ever watched a movie with friends and then held a discussion afterwards in which you all completely disagree about how good the movie was? This is strange because surely you have all experienced exactly the same film, and so you should all have exactly the same response, right?

Of course, it is not so simple. Depending on the type of text that was experienced, the cultural backgrounds of the various audience members, and countless other reasons, it is possible for different people to respond to different texts in different ways.

Such things interest us in English classes, but there is an important clarification to make here: we are not focused on whether a text is good or bad, but rather how effective it is.

There are three broad questions we can ask to help us determine this:

What is the intended purpose of the text?

How does the creator attempt to achieve their intended purpose?

How effectively does the creator achieve their intended purpose?

Or, put more bluntly:

Why was the text created?

How was the text created?

How well was the text created?

Just as different people will agree or disagree about how good or bad a movie is, so too will different people offer different answers to these three questions.

In other words, everyone can offer a unique interpretation of a text.

Interpretation - a critical explanation of what a creator is trying to achieve in a given text.

When it comes to offering a textual interpretation, what matters is the evidence we use to support our claims. And what form should this evidence take? To make a convincing case in favor of our unique interpretation, we need to make specific references to the elements and techniques used by the creator to communicate meaning.

This is the reason we spend so much of our time in English classes pulling texts apart to see how they work. Once we can identify and understand the different "pieces" of a text, we can use this knowledge to establish what a creator is trying to achieve, and evaluate how effectively they accomplish this.

Importantly, this process involves finding connections between the different elements and techniques within a text. Just as the engine of a car needs lots of small components to work together to generate motion, so too do the different components of a text need to work together to create meaning.
Sharing Findings

Having formed an interpretation of what a creator is attempting to accomplish through their work, it is no good keeping this interpretation to ourselves—we need to share it!

This process begins with classroom discussion. Here, we have a chance to share our interpretations verbally with one another. It is through this sharing of ideas that we begin to unlock the underlying messages within texts, often catching things we missed the first time.

Our final interpretation of a text is usually shared in a more formal manner. This could be an essay or oral presentation, or some other medium which allows us to express our ideas in a comprehensive way. Here, we need to put together everything we have learned from our analysis to offer a convincing interpretation for our audience.

Importantly, we should not be afraid to change our interpretations throughout any stage of this process. Other students may challenge us in classroom discussions, and we may receive specific critiques in our draft feedback. This is good, as it encourages us to reconsider our interpretations, and improve them if the feedback is justified.

Top tip! Be willing to alter your interpretations based on what others have to say.

Literary texts are wonderful things, and the more we learn about how they work, the more we can appreciate their aesthetic qualities. We can also learn to admire or critique what they are trying to achieve, and then share our unique interpretations with others.

Yes, communication can be complicated, nuances can be missed, and people absorb and interpret information differently. We are all familiar with the sarcastic comeback "I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."

Choosing to treat Net54 communications as individual works of art is one way to look at it, I guess.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Choosing to treat Net54 communications as individual works of art is one way to look at it, I guess.

Choosing to remove things entirely from their context is another way to look at it, I guess.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Choosing to remove things entirely from their context is another way to look at it, I guess.

Understanding your context is easy, it's just to be a fool and spout nonsense. You don't even need to be a master of Contextual Interpretation to see that.

[brianp-beme]

Text is as text does. To text or not to text, that is the question. Life is like a box of texts. Text is a many splendored thing.

Brian (textually speaking, that is)

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Understanding your context is easy, it's just to be a fool and spout nonsense. You don't even need to be a master of Contextual Interpretation to see that.

Eww, GOT EM!!!

You must be king of the playground.

I asked a simple question of whether seller provided a tracking number, and you turned it into this because I used the word "ever" (after already asking the question several times without using that word). Who is being a fool and spouting nonsense? LOL

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Eww, GOT EM!!!

You must be king of the playground.

I asked a simple question of whether seller provided a tracking number, and you turned it into this because I used the word "ever" (after already asking the question several times without using that word). Who is being a fool and spouting nonsense? LOL

I am guessing this is some sort of exercise for you in saying ridiculous things and then trying to argue your way around them. You might try to focus your time instead on saying things that make sense.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I am guessing this is some sort of exercise for you in saying ridiculous things and then trying to argue your way around them. You might try to focus your time instead on saying things that make sense.

I'll wait for you to quote what ridiculous thing I said (given being a douchebag on a message board to someone who asked a very simple question, that every single other person who read it understood, seems to be some sort of exercise for you).

[Peter_Spaeth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyxBYbfu6k8

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Understanding your context is easy, it's just to be a fool and spout nonsense. You don't even need to be a master of Contextual Interpretation to see that.

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That being said, apparently they've lowered the bar so low in Ohio, one can trip over it.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

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That being said, apparently they've lowered the bar so low in Ohio, one can trip over it.

What kind of world am I living in where asking the simplest of questions is so hard for some people to grasp that they can only make ad hominem attacks on the asker? It really speaks to one's intelligence when they struggle with such simple things.

I'm pretty sure this whole act of you and your pal is nothing more than an attempt to distract from the question I asked. No one is as dumb as you to appear to be. You must be trying to protect the seller from questions.

[bbcard1]

I had a fairly disappointing purchase last year where I bought a card that I wouldn't say that the scan was exactly doctored, but the chroma was turned way up and the card didn't look anything like the scan. When I reached back out to the buyer he pretty much gas lighted me...it's obviously the same card...you should have known by the grade that there was a crease (which was not disclosed even though I asked up front)...I wouldn't expect someone from Net54 not to know what to expect. I just called it a day. What looked like a good buy turned out to be a full price retail buy, but it was a somewhat scarce and desirable card so I just figured I'd consider it done and try not to worry about it any further.

[jingram058]

Final update - the $15 or $20 to mail, but worth probably, what, $150 for 6 raw 1948 Bowmans? Well, they were delivered today to someone in Petaluma, California. I hope they enjoy them, and experience less drama with them than me.

[BRoberts]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Final update - the $15 or $20 to mail, but worth probably, what, $150 for 6 raw 1948 Bowmans? Well, they were delivered today to someone in Petaluma, California. I hope they enjoy them, and experience less drama with them than me.

I think if the new owner of the cards doesn't go on a message board and post a poorly worded, poorly though out rant, he or she will definitely have "less drama."

[tycobb]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Final update - the $15 or $20 to mail, but worth probably, what, $150 for 6 raw 1948 Bowmans? Well, they were delivered today to someone in Petaluma, California. I hope they enjoy them, and experience less drama with them than me.

Hmmm the plot thickens . Makes me wonder if seller/shipper mixed packages/ addresses / buyers info. All in all what a shit show this turned out to be . Im sure you are i know i would be disappointed.

P.s. I really hope those Bowmans make their way to you eventually.


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[jingram058]

Originally Posted by BRoberts

I think if the new owner of the cards doesn't go on a message board and post a poorly worded, poorly though out rant, he or she will definitely have "less drama."

I aspire to be perfect like you.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Final update - the $15 or $20 to mail, but worth probably, what, $150 for 6 raw 1948 Bowmans? Well, they were delivered today to someone in Petaluma, California. I hope they enjoy them, and experience less drama with them than me.

WTF. Sorry to hear that, I am hard pressed to think of an explanation.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

I've noticed over the years that when I create thread (in any forum) looking for sympathy I often get the opposite.

Here are two places NOT to go if you want sympathy:

1) A discussion forum frequented by old guys.
2) Your wife.

If you want sympathy, go to your dog.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Final update - the $15 or $20 to mail, but worth probably, what, $150 for 6 raw 1948 Bowmans? Well, they were delivered today to someone in Petaluma, California. I hope they enjoy them, and experience less drama with them than me.

Hopefully like most the recipient gives the misdelivered mail back and you still receive them.

Now I also feel sorry for Octavio. Looks like he might have mispriced/fat fingered the sale price and sold $150 worth of cards for $15. Now it is very apparent it clearly wasn't about $15.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Final update - the $15 or $20 to mail, but worth probably, what, $150 for 6 raw 1948 Bowmans? Well, they were delivered today to someone in Petaluma, California.

Well that's proof positive that the seller mailed them anyway. So in any event that answers your first concern.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Here are two places NOT to go if you want sympathy:

1) A discussion forum frequented by old guys.
2) Your wife.

If you want sympathy, go to your dog.

3) Your kids.

[JollyElm]

Even my dog hates me.

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Hopefully like most the recipient gives the misdelivered mail back and you still receive them.

Now I also feel sorry for Octavio. Looks like he might have mispriced/fat fingered the sale price and sold $150 worth of cards for $15. Now it is very apparent it clearly wasn't about $15.

It looks like it's six beater commons worth about $30

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

It looks like it's six beater commons worth about $30

Could be I never looked and know nothing about 48 Bowmans. Was using the OPs estimated value.

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Could be I never looked and know nothing about 48 Bowmans. Was using the OPs estimated value.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=359043

[egri]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Peter Chao? The GOAT, if that's who you mean.

My personal favorite was Adam Moraine, who managed to rail against the "Millionaire's club" that was Net54, while also being steadfast in his belief that investing in Sammy Sosa's shoes was going to enable him to retire young to an estate in Greenwich, Conn. I could never figure that one out.

[bmattioli]

I don't get it. Octavio is a long standing member here as well as the Net54 group on Facebook. He has yet to explain anything.. Why?

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

It looks like it's six beater commons worth about $30

Wrong answer. You could probably buy one of the beaters for $30.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by bmattioli

I don't get it. Octavio is a long standing member here as well as the Net54 group on Facebook. He has yet to explain anything.. Why?

I don't think Octavio would lower himself to this level.

[bmattioli]

Originally Posted by jingram058

I don't think Octavio would lower himself to this level.

Agreed.. He's a good egg as far as I've seen..

[Beercan collector]

Wonder if there’s an identical address in Petaluma

[John1941]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Wrong answer. You could probably buy one of the beaters for $30.

Don't want to get involved in this thread, but I would like to say that I agree with cardsagain74's appraisal - 48 Bowman commons in fair condition are worth about $5 each - so Octavio did give a good deal on them, just not an insane deal.

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Wrong answer. You could probably buy one of the beaters for $30.

You're delusional. Anyone can search "1948 Bowman commons" sold lots on EBAY and find a lot of recent sales between $5 and $10 each for commons in FR-GD, or about $10 each in around VG.

There's a reason Octavio priced them where he did.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Wrong answer. You could probably buy one of the beaters for $30.

I'll be happy to buy this one then sell it to you for $30 in case the others never show up.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/19715643017...mis&media=COPY

[bmattioli]

All I'm saying is your username is all people know and is usually your word if your a good member/seller/buyer or not. Why would someone jeopardize that on a $15.00 sale?

It makes no sense..

Octavio?

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Gotta be one of the most boring and useless threads in net54 history. At least someone started posting some cards to look at.....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by egri

My personal favorite was Adam Moraine, who managed to rail against the "Millionaire's club" that was Net54, while also being steadfast in his belief that investing in Sammy Sosa's shoes was going to enable him to retire young to an estate in Greenwich, Conn. I could never figure that one out.

Some serious competition, no doubt. But Chao's musings on the Virginia Tech shooting, which at one point somehow led him to be thankful for sports and at the same time to wonder what would happen if Barry Bonds had a gun, was IMO unsurpassable. Not to mention his asking, in all seriousness, how Joe Jackson avoided being spiked if he didn't wear shoes.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

WTF. Sorry to hear that, I am hard pressed to think of an explanation.

That's because you don't have a full grasp of the dynamics at work here. Consider:

1) The USPS is a government agency. Therefore the profit motive isn't a factor here. It's not their money so nobody cares (or gets fired).
2) The more convoluted the journey, the more man hours the journey requires. This facilitates empire building by the postal workers' union while at the same time increasing job security for the individual employee.

So it's a win, win situation for the post office workers. The only losers are those tracking the shipment and complaining about it on discussion forums.

[Eric72]

Here's a picture of a card, because I rarely get a chance to post this one.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

At least someone started posting some cards to look at.....

Do these help out any?

[gregndodgers]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Here are two places NOT to go if you want sympathy:

1) A discussion forum frequented by old guys.
2) Your wife.

If you want sympathy, go to your dog.

Wow, that was spot on! I would add “frat brothers” to that list, but of course, we are all way past college.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Do these help out any?

Nice 58 Spahn but I like mine better.

[tycobb]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Nice 58 Spahn but I like mine better.

Nice Spahn @bnorth ! Yep me too dig it more than the fox one. Idk just like it better than the fox.


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

That's because you don't have a full grasp of the dynamics at work here. Consider:

1) The USPS is a government agency. Therefore the profit motive isn't a factor here. It's not their money so nobody cares (or gets fired).
2) The more convoluted the journey, the more man hours the journey requires. This facilitates empire building by the postal workers' union while at the same time increasing job security for the individual employee.

So it's a win, win situation for the post office workers. The only losers are those tracking the shipment and complaining about it on discussion forums.

Oh good Lord.

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Nice 58 Spahn but I like mine better.

I'm confused is Spahn growing, shrinking, or turning into the Hulk?

[jingram058]

Lesson learned - USPS is a shell of it's former self. If you must use USPS, pay the difference and insist on Priority Mail or better.

Lesson learned - Post nothing until you gain the facts. Especially in a public forum.

Lesson learned - (learned over and over and over) If it seems too good to be true, it is.

Lesson learned - There are a lot of true hobby experts on this forum, who offer good, sound advice, and who are truly helpful when things go wrong.

Lesson learned - There is another element that seems to exist only to appear all-knowing. In attempting to "one up" them, it escalates into an ill-conceived rant, giving them the satisfaction they desperately crave.

Lesson learned - NEVER post your misfortune in a public forum.