REA catalog just arrived…. almost as fun as the old time Sears Christmas

[Belfast1933]

I always enjoyed receiving the REA auction catalog, but it’s especially fun now given the connection. I’ve been lucky enough to have with these Morehouse baking cards.

Hats off to Brian Dwyer for being every bit excellent partner to us as we hoped and expected he would be.

I may just end up buying back a few of these for my own collection!

Jeff Gross

[BigfootIsReal]

How did you get a cat? What does the 48' Blue Tint Jackie SGC 8 look like? Sorry, I don't have the patience to wait until Friday (even though it's way out of my price range anyway)

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

How did you get a cat? What does the 47' Bond Bread Jackie SGC look like? Sorry, I don't have the patience to wait until Friday (even though it's way out of my price range anyway)

Does it look like this?

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Does it look like this?

Oh shit! That's a monster

My bad tho It was a 48' Blue Tint Jackie in an SGC 8

[calvindog]

Wow, that's a high grade for that card.

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Does it look like this?

Since my birthday is close to Christmas, what are the chances on you giving this to me?

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

How did you get a cat? What does the 48' Blue Tint Jackie SGC 8 look like? Sorry, I don't have the patience to wait until Friday (even though it's way out of my price range anyway)

Jeff (the OP) was involved with helping bring this discovery to our collecting planet and eventually to REA. Below is his recent posting about this hobby dream:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=355043

And a great Sports Collectors Daily article that discusses these cards and how they came to the market:

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...eading-to-rea/

So I think Jeff deserves a little catalog preferential treatment. It sure would be fun to be associated with something featured on the front AND back cover of a REA catalog.


Brian

[Belfast1933]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Jeff (the OP) was involved with helping bring this discovery to our collecting planet and eventually to REA. Below is his recent posting about this hobby dream:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=355043

And a great Sports Collectors Daily article that discusses these cards and how they came to the market:

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...eading-to-rea/

So I think Jeff deserves a little catalog preferential treatment. It sure would be fun to be associated with something featured on the front AND back cover of a REA catalog.


Brian

My hobby dream come true is soo right! The hardest part was keeping the story under wraps for months until The NY Times broke the news a couple of weeks back.

The Boston Media has been loving this story - Ruth with the Sox, found in Mass, Morehouse Baking in Lawrence Mass, etc

It’s been a lot of fun. And now, I’ll be hosting an Auction Watch Party with the owner of these amazing cards - hope some of these cards end up with Net54 members!

Jeff

[oldjudge]

Beauty Jeff! The Robinson I have in my collection is Wilbert.

[Republicaninmass]

Pump that consignment!


Any other questions please post to the board!

[ClementeFanOh]

Jeff- I'm truly happy for you, best of luck. As for the members who insist
on deliberate trolling, pay them no heed as they are petty.

Trent King

[MikeGarcia]

[QUOTE=Republicaninmass;2476082]Pump that consignment!


... No need to " pump that consignment ".
I overheard Nepalese Peacekeeping Force soldiers talking about it at the airport in Haiti , where I was stranded for an extra 3 days. The word is out.

[Belfast1933]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Jeff- I'm truly happy for you, best of luck. As for the members who insist
on deliberate trolling, pay them no heed as they are petty.

Trent King

Honestly, my reason for sharing all of this is just to share my excitement and experience with the Net54 community of collectors that has taught me so much over the years!

Since this collection has found its way on both covers of the Catalog and has also received lots of hobby and general media coverage already, I didn’t intend this to be a consignment pump!

But I suppose it may look that way to some - defiantly not my intention. I think this find has gotten as much attention as it needs and that is a big credit to REA and the fun backstory of it all.

Jeff

[darkhorse9]

Howa does one get on the mailing list for these (and other) catalogs?

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by darkhorse9

Howa does one get on the mailing list for these (and other) catalogs?

In general, you can go to the web site and request a catalog either through an email request or phone call. In order to keep getting them over time, you will likely need to be viewed as an active collector who purchases from time to time.

The online version is exactly the same in most instances as the printed catalog so it is just as easy to look online than in a thick book and I prefer that and opted out of printed catalogs but some like to actively peruse the pages and prefer the print versions.

Some auction houses no longer send printed catalogs that contain all lots. A few of the well known ones just feature the higher valued items in the print version to obviously save on cost. I think you will begin to see more of this as the cost to print and ship these massive catologs is not a cheap endeavor.

[mrreality68]

I am jealous

I am still waiting

Mail was just delivered and nothing

Guess I will have to wait to see it on their website

[e107collector]

I just got mine in the mail today.

We are forecasted to get 15 inches of snow tonight into tomorrow. I'll be nice and cozy reading my catalog watching the snowflakes come down.

[scooter729]

Catalog got to me in Boston today - it's a beaut! Looking forward to this auction for sure....

[Kingcobb]

This is their best auction of the year great stuff.

[calvindog]

Great auction and catalog.

[Kawika]

Have picked up some dandy things from REA over the years and always look forward to their catalogs. Thought I might miss this one on account of I live in Canada and am having to abide a postal strike. I was happy to learn via an email from Brian Dwyer hisself that the catalog was shipped UPS and should get here next week. Take heart, fellow Canada dwellers.

[Belfast1933]

Yeah, maybe went a little overboard with the Halloween Costume this year… but since the story wasn’t out yet, this was a fun release!

[WillowGrove]

Jeff.

That costume is amazing and hysterical.

Absolutely great job.

[Republicaninmass]

apparently the market can absorb

7 1951 bowman mantles
7 1951 bowman mays
5 1952 topps mantles
7 1952 topps Mays



bet ya 75% These will be posted on facebook groups before they are even shipped

I've never seen anything like it

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

apparently the market can absorb

7 1951 bowman mantles
7 1951 bowman mays
5 1952 topps mantles
7 1952 topps Mays



bet ya 75% These will be posted on facebook groups before they are even shipped

I've never seen anything like it

What a time to be alive!!

[Belfast1933]

Originally Posted by WillowGrove

Jeff.

That costume is amazing and hysterical.

Absolutely great job.

Thanks... we have fun around the Gross household. And we take Halloween pretty seriously!

(this life size Morehouse Ruth card costume/box is making its reappearance tonight at our "auction watch party" - consigner and I and our wives get to raise a toast and see how it's all starting off - ya gotta love this hobby)

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

apparently the market can absorb

7 1951 bowman mantles
7 1951 bowman mays
5 1952 topps mantles
7 1952 topps Mays



bet ya 75% These will be posted on facebook groups before they are even shipped

I've never seen anything like it

I recall a day, not that long ago, when REA would not take the same card in similar grades. Show me the money! Careful where you consign, people.

[Kutcher55]

Well then, safe to say the debate has ended with regards to 2024 Net54's Man of the Year. That costume Jeff, holy moly they should sell that at REA Auction as well. Might not get as much as the actual Ruth but it would do pretty well!

[bigfish]

Originally Posted by WillowGrove

Jeff.

That costume is amazing and hysterical.

Absolutely great job.

I couldn’t agree more. Not weird at all. Very cool!
!

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Belfast1933

Yeah, maybe went a little overboard with the Halloween Costume this year… but since the story wasn’t out yet, this was a fun release!

I didn't realize the Babe had murderous tendencies.

ruthcostume.jpg
Brian (nice costumes, and fun photo box)

[JollyElm]

Bloody mirror, mirror on the wall...

I can't be the only one who doesn't know what the lady's costume is supposed to be??

[Bobbycee]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I recall a day, not that long ago, when REA would not take the same card in similar grades. Show me the money! Careful where you consign, people.

In the minds of most, you don't get any better than REA. You know, you can ask them & YOU have a choice whether or not a card goes in their auctions. Ask them for example, how many '51 Bowman Mantle's are in the next auction. They'll tell you. Again, you have the choice to consign to the current auction or wait until the next one.

[samosa4u]

Think of all the people who pump their cards online. Somebody will post his lower-grade 52T Mantle (there are thousands of them) or his 86F Jordan (millions of them) and everybody is just like "Oh my God!!! Oh my God !!! Congrats!! My dream card !!!" Now, think about what the OP came across here: a Babe Ruth rookie ... actually, TWO Babe Ruth rookies, Shoeless Joe and a hundred others ... and all have these super-rare backs that we'll probably never see again ...
I can't blame him for pumping them cause' I would do the same thing if I had been in his shoes ... actually, no, I would go beyond that! I'd make a music video with these cards and put strippers in the background ... I'd get a Morehouse Ruth tattoo on my bum ... seriously, I would go crazy !! Finding something like this is insane. I totally get it.
And there is nothing better than investing in a Ruth rookie. In five years, it'll be worth double.
Good luck to you all !!

[Snowman]

I think this hobby needs a metric to evaluate how delusionally out of touch the buyer pool is going to be for a given auction based on the number of certs that begin with a 0 or 1. Every time I look through these auctions I just crack up at seeing all the clearly altered cards that everyone just can't wait to add to their registries and all the PSA "8" holders that would be lucky to get 6s today lol.

Maybe we can call it the Registry Ratio, or perhaps the Lichtman Score. The ratio of early certs to recent certs. If you have a Lichtman Score greater than 0.5, your collection is over graded. If your score is greater than 1, you would be wise to reevaluate your purchasing decisions. If it's above 2, you're likely a delusional registry chaser, and if it's 3 or more, you're probably a lawyer.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Bobbycee

In the minds of most, you don't get any better than REA. You know, you can ask them & YOU have a choice whether or not a card goes in their auctions. Ask them for example, how many '51 Bowman Mantle's are in the next auction. They'll tell you. Again, you have the choice to consign to the current auction or wait until the next one.

Was only making an observation. Was not attacking your favorite house. Of course a consignor can ask. I wonder how many think to ask. In addition REA has Huggins and Scott going on with even more overlap.

I am not sure if prices are hurt by having so many of the same card offered at once but I understand why an auction house would do it and have posted in their defense. Why let a competitor get the consignments by only having one of something. Bad for business.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I seem to recall the claim made by myself and others wasn't that it had nothing to do with the case but rather that it had nothing to do with the sentencing. He wasn't charged for trimming the Wagner and he wasn't sentenced for it. It seems to have only come up because he was trying to propose a plea deal and/or as a way to demonstrate what sort of character he was.

Originally Posted by Snowman

I'll go one step further. I'm tripling down on my claim. Peter's take is bullshit. And there are numerous lawyers in the hobby that disagree with his take as well. Mastro was not charged or sentenced for trimming the Wagner or for not disclosing said trimming. Period.

Originally Posted by Snowman

You guys can keep dancing around this all you want. You can argue semantics or say I'm misusing terms or "moving the goalposts" or whatever you want. I don't care. My main point has been quite clear from the beginning of this conversation (which started elsewhere, years ago and which Peter just can't seem to let go of for some strange reason). My point is and always has been that nobody, including Mastro, has ever been "tried and convicted?", "charged and convicted?", "tried by a jury?", "found guilty by a judge?" for the "crime" (or however the hell you want to word it) of altering and selling a sports card. It hasn't happened. And you pointing to the fact that it was mentioned in a lengthy indictment full of other crimes for which he could not escape in a case that didn't go to trial because he struck a plea deal doesn't mean he would have been found guilty of that charge by a judge or a jury. It just doesn't. I get that in the "logic" of lawyer-land, you guys all think a "conviction" by plea deal is equivalent to a conviction by a jury, because "Yay! I won my case!", but it doesn't make it true. HE WAS NEVER TRIED ON THE CHARGE OF ALTERING/SELLING THAT WAGNER. Not by a jury. Not by the standard that matters with respect to what I've been arguing now for years.

Why would this distinction matter? Again, not a lawyer here, but I'd wager my left nut that a plea deal does not set a precedent for jack shit with respect to future cases for precisely the reasons I'm alluding to (and likely many others).

Originally Posted by Snowman

What does the indictment have to do with this conversation? You can put whatever you want in an indictment. What matters is what he was actually found guilty of and sentenced for. That's what we're talking about. Show me where I can find something along the lines of the jury saying "As to count #11, we the jury find the charge of the defendant trimming the Honus Wagner baseball card and failing to disclose said alteration upon selling it: GUILTY".

You can't because it didn't happen.

I'm not saying it wasn't brought up at trial. I'm saying he wasn't sentenced for it and he didn't go to prison for it.

Aspergers guy getting frisky.

[tjisonline]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Aspergers guy getting frisky.

Nice bond bread Jackie you have. 2 thumbs up

He does have a point though. E.g. There’s a certain popular t206 currently at auction that is laughable. PSA 0x cert. 3 grade w/ that appears cut short & has paper loss. The hammer price hopefully reflects this.

There are plenty of other examples like the 1952 Topps Jackie Robinson (PSA 8 - 02023137 ) that was obviously trimmed. Was recently reholdered & kept the 8 grade & resold privately. It also sold for over $100k twice since 2020. Current owner must have filed a claim w/ PSA as the card as been regraded as “authentic altered”

In some ways I feel bad for the current Collectors mgt as they are cleaning up & literally paying for the mistakes of the previous regime. So those types of payout costs being passed on to us. Plus we are dealing with their current overly strict inconsistent grading. Even SGC’s grading consistency seems to have changed since early summer.

Side note: I’m ranked high on a few PSA player set registries. Never going to have a chance at the top slot even if I cared because those people own high-grade early cert trimmed cards.

[calvindog]

PSA’s first card was trimmed. We’re going to pretend that many to most high graded cards aren’t altered? And the disparity between grading standards across the years? You could lose your mind trying to walk between the raindrops in buying graded cards.

[tjisonline]

The prewar goodness in this auction definitely packs a punch. Amazing. Same with postwar. The only thing missing for me are any of the final three ‘68 Topps 3-D cards needed to finish the set.

Great job by the REA team who put this auction together.

[Belfast1933]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Think of all the people who pump their cards online. Somebody will post his lower-grade 52T Mantle (there are thousands of them) or his 86F Jordan (millions of them) and everybody is just like "Oh my God!!! Oh my God !!! Congrats!! My dream card !!!" Now, think about what the OP came across here: a Babe Ruth rookie ... actually, TWO Babe Ruth rookies, Shoeless Joe and a hundred others ... and all have these super-rare backs that we'll probably never see again ...
I can't blame him for pumping them cause' I would do the same thing if I had been in his shoes ... actually, no, I would go beyond that! I'd make a music video with these cards and put strippers in the background ... I'd get a Morehouse Ruth tattoo on my bum ... seriously, I would go crazy !! Finding something like this is insane. I totally get it.
And there is nothing better than investing in a Ruth rookie. In five years, it'll be worth double.
Good luck to you all !!

Hey, a side hustle here… tattoo art for hobbyists! (Starting with the “cancelled” stamp for your backside &#128514

[Belfast1933]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Bloody mirror, mirror on the wall...

I can't be the only one who doesn't know what the lady's costume is supposed to be??

Hey Snowman!

The Halloween theme was “Myths and Legends” and Mrs Gross here was Bloody Bloody Mary, which apparently is a kids myth tied to saying Bloody Bloody Mary into the mirror at midnight… or something like that.

👻

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I think this hobby needs a metric to evaluate how delusionally out of touch the buyer pool is going to be for a given auction based on the number of certs that begin with a 0 or 1. Every time I look through these auctions I just crack up at seeing all the clearly altered cards that everyone just can't wait to add to their registries and all the PSA "8" holders that would be lucky to get 6s today lol.

Maybe we can call it the Registry Ratio, or perhaps the Lichtman Score. The ratio of early certs to recent certs. If you have a Lichtman Score greater than 0.5, your collection is over graded. If your score is greater than 1, you would be wise to reevaluate your purchasing decisions. If it's above 2, you're likely a delusional registry chaser, and if it's 3 or more, you're probably a lawyer.

Leaving to one side the problem of altered cards and focusing just on grading, AT THE TIME of these certs (indeed up until the late 2010s or so) the hobby did not have an issue with the standards being applied to grade cards. They reflected the prevailing consensus. There were regular complaints that PSA was too harsh (see old CU posts on the "grader of death") but rarely that they were too lenient. That many older certs seem overgraded from today's perspective is an inevitable consequence of tightened standards but hardly seems a reason to mock people?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Aspergers guy getting frisky.

I think congratulations are in order, as you had your name mentioned. As did Judge Wapner's


Raymond: One minute to Wapner

Charlie: Yes, one minute to Wapner. I had you in there, Ray! You were in there! The defendant, the plaintiff, you had it all. They are in there making legal history

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Belfast1933

Hey, a side hustle here… tattoo art for hobbyists! (Starting with the “cancelled” stamp for your backside ��)

At least here they don't have to skip over the facebook posts

"With all the amazing news surrounding the discovery of the ruth Morehouse, I'm looking at buying a signed Ruth ball"

Please let us know when you buy one!


Edited...guess i spoke too soon

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Aspergers guy getting frisky.

You should keep pretending like someone striking a plea deal is equivalent to them being tried and found guilty by a jury of every single thing mentioned in that plea deal.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

You should keep pretending like someone striking a plea deal is equivalent to them being tried and found guilty by a jury of every single thing mentioned in that plea deal.

I have to admire a man who is shown to be clearly wrong, but instead of admitting he's out of his depth, then doubles down. Over and over again. You've been wrong about nearly every single thing you've said about the Mastro case since the beginning when you kept insisting that the Wagner card was not even part of the charges. But this -- thinking you know more about guilty pleas than a leading criminal defense lawyer -- is truly beyond the pale lol.

[27 Championships]

Can anyone explain why Lot #713, 1914 CJ Ray Caldwell PSA 2, is sky high, currently at $6500? Is this exceptionally rare or short print? I can’t remember ever seeing this card going for so much? I’m thinking about selling my SGC 2 if it hits $10k 😁

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have to admire a man who is shown to be clearly wrong, but instead of admitting he's out of his depth, then doubles down. Over and over again. You've been wrong about nearly every single thing you've said about the Mastro case since the beginning when you kept insisting that the Wagner card was not even part of the charges. But this -- thinking you know more about guilty pleas than a leading criminal defense lawyer -- is truly beyond the pale lol.

Just because getting a jury to find a defendant guilty on a charge and getting someone to agree to a plea deal both result in you being able to tally another 'W' on your oh-so-important W/L record doesn't mean they're equivalent. This isn't a discussion about how the law works out how a courtroom works. It's a simple logic problem. And you guys look stupid whether you realize it or not.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Belfast1933

Hey Snowman!

The Halloween theme was “Myths and Legends” and Mrs Gross here was Bloody Bloody Mary, which apparently is a kids myth tied to saying Bloody Bloody Mary into the mirror at midnight… or something like that.

👻

The scariest thing about this is you called me "Snowman." What a horrific thing to do!!!! You, my friend, are scarier than Bloody Mary.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Just because getting a jury to find a defendant guilty on a charge and getting someone to agree to a plea deal both result in you being able to tally another 'W' on your oh-so-important W/L record doesn't mean they're equivalent. This isn't a discussion about how the law works out how a courtroom works. It's a simple logic problem. And you guys look stupid whether you realize it or not.

Oh so now it's not a discussion about the law? I missed that qualifier. So what are we discussing, just subjective impressions? Your personal belief that one is less significant than the other even though the legal effect is identical? Oh, ok.