1970 7th Series B/Left side slit

[Cliff Bowman]

We are going to have most if not all of the four card columns before long but no way of knowing the order of most of the columns.

[Kevvyg1026]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Just to be clear, when you say 15 year stat line are you including the Major League Total line as part of the 15 years?

No, I don't think so on the stat line. That box is wider

[deweyinthehall]

I think it's Bertaina:

1) the top of the yellow field on McFadden is too low
2) The blue type on Meyer is so close to the edge that it should be partly visible
3) I think Roland doesn't line up as well as Bertaina

Take another look and let me know what you think

[Kevvyg1026]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Jose Pagan is over Jimmie Hall

Since neither Pagan nor Hall has a white line, that make Pagan a row 2 card (Tepedino leader) and Hall a row 3 card (Stewart leader)

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

MC of Roland, looks like a 15 yr stat line

Attachment 628357

I am assuming you are including the Major League Totals as a line, there are four cards that have 15 lines that way, McBean, McDowell, Meyer, and Sadecki. Meyer is eliminated because he is a top row card. Sadecki is also eliminated because Roland is a top row card and Sadecki is a bottom row card in the Cardinals Rookies column.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

In the Roland above, he has to be over either McDowell or McBean - I think McDowell matches a bit better, and when you look at McBean, the Y in "YEAR" seems too close to the edge to not be seen in the miscut.

Not sure enough to call it for McDowell though, yet.

Just now saw this post again, I agree with you that it is McDowell under Roland.

[Cliff Bowman]

I'm thinking this has to be McBean under Jack Fisher.

[deweyinthehall]

FYI - As it stands there are 8 cards for which we know absolutely nothing:

Jerry Robertson
Jim Hardin
Rich Rollins (this guy is also part of the 1966 6th series - can't get away from him!)
Frank Robinson
Dalton Jones
Al McBean
Jose Cardenal
Tom Haller

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

FYI - As it stands there are 8 cards for which we know absolutely nothing:

Jerry Robertson
Jim Hardin
Rich Rollins (this guy is also part of the 1966 6th series - can't get away from him!)
Frank Robinson
Dalton Jones
Al McBean
Jose Cardenal
Tom Haller

.

[Cliff Bowman]

Pretty sure that is Reichardt under Robertson, I will need to double check and make sure it's not Dalton Jones or Collins. ETA after comparing Collins and Dalton Jones I'm convinced it is Reichardt under Robertson.

[deweyinthehall]

And I am convinced it is Rich Rollins under Frank Robinson...

[deweyinthehall]

I agree it's Reichardt under Robertson as well - I couldn't decide between Collins or Reichardt, but the stat line type setting in Reichardt fits the patter.

[deweyinthehall]

So, before I step away for the day to finish my 1970 page, here is what I now show regarding our path to 11 columns of 4 cards - putting aside the fact that the Padres team is to the right of the Giants.

Checklist
Tepedino
Stewart
Francona

?
Robertson
Reichardt
AL Rookies

Phillips
Tatum
?
?

Fisher
McBean
?
?

?
?
Lolich
Ward

?
Pagan
Hall
?

?
?
?
Leonhard

Meyer
?
?
?

Baker
?
?
?

?
Robinson
Rollins
?

?
?
?
Knoop

Cards Rookies
?
?
Sadecki

?
?
Garibaldi
?

Uhlaender
Giants
Indians
Aguirre

McFadden
?
?
?

?
?
?
Collins

?
Padres
?
?

Roland
McDowell
?
?

?
?
?
Santiago

Fairly
?
Lucchesi
Duncan

?
?
?
Phoebus

Bertaina
Billingham
?
?

We know all the cards in the top row, and all in the bottom.
We know 9 of 11 in the second row and 8 of 11 in the third

There seem to be only 4 for which we don't know any adjacent cards -
Jones, Hardin, Haller and Cardenal.

[Kevvyg1026]

Dalton Jones MC

1970_682_bot.jpg

[Kevvyg1026]

Another Dalton MC, this to the left

1970_682_L.jpg

[Kevvyg1026]

How many cards in row 1 have the checklist on the left side? Here's a mc of the Padres team card.

1970_657_top.jpg

[deweyinthehall]

Well, only 1 would - it would be one of the other 10 row 1 cards, except for Bertaina which is on the right edge.

If this Padres card had a bit more of the card above it, we would have our first block of columns as the Padres is the to the right of the Giants, which is in the completed Uhlaender/Giants/Indians/Aguirre column.

[Kevvyg1026]

Silly me, they all do if they are a regular card. I guess I have to look for a 3rd row card that shows a copyright on the right. lol

[Cliff Bowman]

That Dalton Jones horizontal miscut has Jim Stewart to his left, the broken circle in the copyright and the slivers of the stats match up perfectly. That means Dalton Jones is the third card of the second column.

[Cliff Bowman]

The card under Dalton Jones in C4 of the second column is either Knoop or Santiago, they both have 17 line stats.

[Cliff Bowman]

It is Knoop under Dalton Jones in C4 of the second column, all Knoop cards have an extended ink flaw in the corner of the blue box that matches Kevin's miscut in post #64.

[Kevvyg1026]

Why is Bertaina eliminated as being below Ward? Ward is a row 4 card, Bertainia is a row 1 card. I've seen some miscuts of Lolich that, although not definitive, suggest it might be a RE card.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

Why is Bertaina eliminated as being below Ward? Ward is a row 4 card, Bertainia is a row 1 card. I've seen some miscuts of Lolich that, although definitive, suggest it might be a RE card.

I don't remember, I probably confused it with another card. I'll go back and edit that post.

[Kevvyg1026]

funny miscut

1970_715_RE.jpg

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

Why is Bertaina eliminated as being below Ward? Ward is a row 4 card, Bertainia is a row 1 card. I've seen some miscuts of Lolich that, although definitive, suggest it might be a RE card.

I believe you are right, I tried the Ward miscut to Bertaina again and it's a perfect fit. Good thing you caught that. So that means the Bertaina column of

Bertaina
Billingham
Lolich
Ward

is the RE 11th column.

[Kevvyg1026]

Although we already have placed Francona, this WB is pretty cool.

1970_Tito_WB.jpg

[Kevvyg1026]

Here's a side mc of Rollins. Hopefully, not many cards in the 3rd row have the blue extend all the way to the right.

1970_652(Right.jpg

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

Here's a side mc of Rollins. Hopefully, not many cards in the 3rd row have the blue extend all the way to the right.

Attachment 628477

The currently eligible cards it could be are Lolich, Lucchesi, and Hall, although I might have missed one.

[Kevvyg1026]

This looks the lower part of the J from Jose Pagan is to the right of F Robby, which puts Hall to the right of Rollins

1970_700_R.jpg

[deweyinthehall]

Yep that's Pagan - the blue bar on the reverse of the Robinson ciches it.

[deweyinthehall]

Reichardt is to the left of either Lolich or Lucchesi...

[jmoran19]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

funny miscut

Attachment 628474

Looks like Mickey is a right edge card to me

[deweyinthehall]

Cardenal is over Phoebus...

[Cliff Bowman]

My bad, I was way off.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by jmoran19

Looks like Mickey is a right edge card to me

We have the right edge (11th column):

Bertaina
Billingham
Lolich
Ward

[deweyinthehall]

I think that is a team card next to Reichardt - do you see a bit of yellow?

If so, since Reichardt is in the third row it has to be the Indians

[Cliff Bowman]

My bad, I was way off.

[deweyinthehall]

Ask, and ye shall receive...

[Cliff Bowman]

Already established but here is Stewart above Francona.

[Cliff Bowman]

I think I am wrong about that being a team card beside Reichardt, the blue rectangle of a team card would be on the other end of Reichardt after double checking.

[Cliff Bowman]

I think this has to be Adolfo Phillips but I haven't been able to put a Phillips card up against it. Leonhard has 11 stat lines, Phillips has 12.

[deweyinthehall]

I was actually thinking that looked like the thin line around the yellow section on the team cards...

[Kevvyg1026]

card below tatum, 658

1970_658_below.jpg

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

card below tatum, 658

Attachment 628560

Jose Cardenal, guaranteed. ETA, that would mean Leonhard isn't above Phillips.

[Kevvyg1026]

with the tatum mc, another block of 4 is complete.

Phillips-Tatum-Cardenal-Phoebus

[Kevvyg1026]

It's not much, but this mc of McBean suggests that it might be above Hardin

1970_641_B_McBean.jpg

[Cliff Bowman]

After Adolfo Phillips was eliminated from being under Dave Leonhard I tried the next most logical choice Leon McFadden and he is a perfect fit, unlike Phillips who I couldn't get to fit.

[Cliff Bowman]

Frank Baker is under Jose Santiago, this forces the three vertical cards of

Robertson
Reichardt
AL Rookies

under Meyer which creates the complete column of

Meyer
Reichardt
Robertson
AL Rookies

[Cliff Bowman]

Through the process of elimination the vertical run of

D Jones
Knoop

go into the Roland column and complete it at

Roland
McDowell
D Jones
Knoop

this makes the Roland column the second column with the first column being

Checklist
Tepedino
Stewart
Francona

and finally Collins is the fourth card in the Fisher row.

[Kevvyg1026]

By elimination, that means Haller is a row 2 card. I have no miscuts for either Haller or Collins.