1893 Young Autographed Cabinet

[oldjudge]

The upcoming HA has the twice signed Young cabinet that they indicate came from Young’s personal holdings. If that is the case can anyone explain to me why someone would autograph their own cabinet once, let alone twice? My guess is that everyone in the family knew who it was.

[Schwertfeger1007]

Who knows??? It makes just about as much sense as someone forging it twice. (I also don't collect autos and just assume everything is fake unless I watch the guy sign it fwiw)



BTW haven't heard from you in a while Jay...hope you're doing well buddy

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Schwertfeger1007

Who knows??? It makes just about as much sense as someone forging it twice. (I also don't collect autos and just assume everything is fake unless I watch the guy sign it fwiw)



BTW haven't heard from you in a while Jay...hope you're doing well buddy

+1 on that, sir.

[paul]

Not to hijack this thread, but I just took a look at the auction. The most valuable item in the auction, according to Heritage's estimates, is a Tom Brady rookie at 1.2 million. Compare that to the Young at 250K. I don't know about you, but even if the Young autographs are fake, I'd still much rather have five of the Young cabinets (which of course don't exist in that quantity), instead of one Brady. I'll never understand modern collecting.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

The upcoming HA has the twice signed Young cabinet that they indicate came from Young’s personal holdings. If that is the case can anyone explain to me why someone would autograph their own cabinet once, let alone twice? My guess is that everyone in the family knew who it was.

Hey Jay - I forget the specifics on the original collection that the Young came from, but it included an additional half dozen or so other 1893 Pifer & Becker cabinets. I believe that all of them had the respective players’ names written on the front - supposedly in Cy’s hand. Maybe Young originally wrote his first name on the front of his cabinet at one point and then signed his full name again when he mailed the whole group to a fan? The Young cabinet also comes with the envelope that the cabinets were originally mailed in, which is also supposedly in Young’s hand.

I have never seen seen any of these cabinets in person, but I think that I saved images of them on my computer somewhere.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by paul

Not to hijack this thread, but I just took a look at the auction. The most valuable item in the auction, according to Heritage's estimates, is a Tom Brady rookie at 1.2 million. Compare that to the Young at 250K. I don't know about you, but even if the Young autographs are fake, I'd still much rather have five of the Young cabinets (which of course don't exist in that quantity), instead of one Brady. I'll never understand modern collecting.

Well said and that Young has great eye appeal.

But there is money for some in those modern cards in higher grades and in the artificially limited numbers of cards

[Rhotchkiss]

I think the better question is whether I cash out my 401k to buy it?!?! Of course, I am just joking. I will just borrow against my house or my kids’ 529 plans.

[Fred]

OMG - who are we to question the authenticity of this signature. PSA has deemed it an authentic signature!

I have no opinion whether it is real or not. I would hope there were a lot of forensic checks done in the authentication process and the question in my head is "what idiot would ruin a cabinet of that quality (I'm being serious here) by forging a signature?"

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I think the better question is whether I cash out my 401k to buy it?!?! Of course, I am just joking. I will just borrow against my house or my kids’ 529 plans.

That's the right idea!

Oh yeah - I thought that outing auctions was considered "rude" on this board. Yeah, not that many of us would be ponying up that kind of cabbage.

[benchod]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Hey Jay - I forget the specifics on the original collection that the Young came from, but it included an additional half dozen or so other 1893 Pifer & Becker cabinets. I believe that all of them had the respective players’ names written on the front - supposedly in Cy’s hand. Maybe Young originally wrote his first name on the front of his cabinet at one point and then signed his full name again when he mailed the whole group to a fan? The Young cabinet also comes with the envelope that the cabinets were originally mailed in, which is also supposedly in Young’s hand.

I have never seen seen any of these cabinets in person, but I think that I saved images of them on my computer somewhere.

I was happy to pick this one up from the collection

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by benchod

I was happy to pick this one up from the collection

Awesome card Craig. Congrats. Thanks for showing it.

[Fred]

This is the Cy Young cabinet in the Heritage auction.

Craig, that is a sweet cabinet.

cy young2.jpg

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Funny, I've owned a twice-signed photo that belonged to the player! Hal Chase originally inscribed it to his mother but didn't sign it (he did write her name on the back). Decades later, it was the only photo the destitute Chase still had to give to a young girl and her father who collected autographs through the mail. He wrote a message on the verso and signed it again on both sides.

[Exhibitman]

Is "fronto" the opposite of "verso"? For that matter, why isn't "ert" the opposite of "inert"? And why are asteroids in the sky and hemorrhoids in your butt? It would make more sense the other way around.

Sorry, been a long day and that's all I have left in the tank.

And a card

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Is "fronto" the opposite of "verso"? For that matter, why isn't "ert" the opposite of "inert"? And why are asteroids in the sky and hemorrhoids in your butt? It would make more sense the other way around.

Sorry, been a long day and that's all I have left in the tank.

And a card

Recto is the opposite of verso. Not to be confused with rectum, as in we didn't beat them, we rectum!!

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Funny, I've owned a twice-signed photo that belonged to the player! Hal Chase originally inscribed it to his mother but didn't sign it (he did write her name on the back). Decades later, it was the only photo the destitute Chase still had to give to a young girl and her father who collected autographs through the mail. He wrote a message on the verso and signed it again on both sides.

I think this is the one.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Is "fronto" the opposite of "verso"? For that matter, why isn't "ert" the opposite of "inert"? And why are asteroids in the sky and hemorrhoids in your butt? It would make more sense the other way around.

Sorry, been a long day and that's all I have left in the tank.

Adam, I'm thinking it's a good thing that it hasn't been a short day, leaving more left in your tank!