World Cup

[ClementeFanOh]

Good morning all- for those tuning in to World Cup, there has been great
play despite all the key injuries across the grid. Netherlands, France, even
Colombia looking excellent. I have a sneaking suspicion the USWNT is in
trouble this time. This iteration of US players currently looks a bit...disjointed.
We shall see! Trent King

[robinsonmantle]

I am hopeful but other countries programs have started to catch-up and the current USA coach doesn’t seem to like using subs and his bench. There are a number of first time players and a number of young players. With the starting line up, I think you are correct, they are in trouble but I hope we are wrong.


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[mrreality68]

Fair assessment

Hopefully the team and the coach wake up before it is too late.

[ClementeFanOh]

I was maniacal enough to wake up at 3 am to watch USWNT. Wow, that
was lame- by the US, anyway. It very, very much looks like this team falls
short on a) technical skill and b) team unity/cohesion. In the past, it's only
taken 1 of those 2 to win. Portugal should have won late, it's pure luck US
didn't lose 0-1. They were outplayed in 2 of the 3 Group matches and are
down Lavelle in the round of 16. The harsh (but apparently correct)
commentary of recent retiree Carli Lloyd is very revealing. That locker room
must be a nightmare. They better change or they won't make quarters.

Trent King

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

I was maniacal enough to wake up at 3 am to watch USWNT. Wow, that
was lame- by the US, anyway. It very, very much looks like this team falls
short on a) technical skill and b) team unity/cohesion. In the past, it's only
taken 1 of those 2 to win. Portugal should have won late, it's pure luck US
didn't lose 0-1. They were outplayed in 2 of the 3 Group matches and are
down Lavelle in the round of 16. The harsh (but apparently correct)
commentary of recent retiree Carli Lloyd is very revealing. That locker room
must be a nightmare. They better change or they won't make quarters.

Trent King

I don’t know enough to comment but am pretty interested in how a team that has been so dominant for so many years can look so beatable. Twitter seems to think the coach is a huge problem with lack of subs. Is that part of it?

[ClementeFanOh]

James- strictly an opinion, but I think the subbing issue is overblown, as
are injuries. Lots of teams have been bitten by injury bug this WC. It could
be that the coach is being "loyal" to a fault with some players who shouldn't
start, but the subbing issue itself doesn't resonate with me...

It could be that US turns it around next game. I think it would take a starting
11 shakeup, which isn't difficult. The inside the locker room/ outside the
sport concerns stuff may be killing this team. Trent King

[robinsonmantle]

I was also crazy enough to get up at 3am to watch that disappoint. I was glad to see the coach was willing to change up the starting line up. That sadly was nowhere near enough as the team was flat, no energy, and they couldn’t finish.

Many of these issues were the same during the Olympics but Lloyd was there to help finish and give some energy. Lloyd did have some choice words about the coach and program after the showings or lack there if so far.

I hope they find a way to gel, get energy and finish by Sunday morning.


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[ClementeFanOh]

Melissa- I texted another fanatic during and after the match. I made the same
observation about Carli Lloyd. She is torching this squad despite knowing many
of them. It's refreshingly candid for an American commentator, and revealing
as well. Lloyd is NOT impressed. Trent King

[robinsonmantle]

No she is not. When they asked her if he was the right coach. You could see she trying to find words that politely expressed her unhappiness with him as the coach and the way Team USA culture was going. It’s more than a selfie and tik tock video at training as the young members seem to think it is (or based upon appearances).

I have the England game on. Very different story Team England than Team USA. England didn’t look great early, lost a key player and are now dominating a not awful Chinese team.

Swedens set pieces on Sunday will likely beat Tram USA, if they don’t beat themselves with lack of finishing and energy.


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[todeen]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I don’t know enough to comment but am pretty interested in how a team that has been so dominant for so many years can look so beatable. Twitter seems to think the coach is a huge problem with lack of subs. Is that part of it?

It's a new generation of players starting who are not used to the WC pressure. Other countries have mega pride representing their nations on live TV which leads to over achievement, and favorites underestimating their opponents. I'm sure off the field issues play a small role, but those issues mainly concerned veterans. It's the cycle every team must experience, even the Yankees. Why can't the new batch of Yankees win? Blame Aaron Boone. Why can't USWNT win? Blame the coach.

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[mrreality68]

The women will not last long in the Knock out round if they keep playing the way they have the last 2 games. Especially against Portugal.
and Portugal is ranked 21st and it was there first world cup.

Team USA almost lost in injury time.

Could be ugly moving forward if they do not step up

[bk400]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

The women will not last long in the Knock out round if they keep playing the way they have the last 2 games. Especially against Portugal.
and Portugal is ranked 21st and it was there first world cup.

Team USA almost lost in injury time.

Could be ugly moving forward if they do not step up

Carli Lloyd is absolutely right. I'd frankly rather have a 41-year old Carli Lloyd out there on the field right now.

I think missing Becky Sauerbrunn hurts a lot, as Julie Ertz has to play center back (says a lot about how good Julie Ertz is) instead of her natural position as a defensive midfielder.

Andronovski seems to be pretending he's coaching a premier league men's team, where the quality is so high that you can change your lineup on the fly and still be in sync.

I suspect that our ladies are going to be fired up against Sweden, but it's going to take more than individual aggression and flair to beat them.

[Snapolit1]

Why is it in sports they when a team underperforms its always attributed to the same thing: they didn’t want it had enough. Kind of silly. Maybe the other teams talents matched or surpassed your team. It’s a tired canard. It’s always some variation about “how you didn’t want it bad enough”. Like Bobby Knight screaming at some kid who just missed two free throws that he doesn’t want it. It’s just one of those stupid things you hear over and over.

People can want to win very badly and not execute well. They are two totally separate things.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Why is it in sports they when a team underperforms its always attributed to the same thing: they didn’t want it had enough. Kind of silly. Maybe the other teams talents matched or surpassed your team. It’s a tired canard. It’s always some variation about “how you didn’t want it bad enough”. Like Bobby Knight screaming at some kid who just missed two free throws that he doesn’t want it. It’s just one of those stupid things you hear over and over.

People can want to win very badly and not execute well. They are two totally separate things.

I would agree and to me it is all about the execution of the players. The international talent level is up but most people believe that the US Team has the better Talent(with the gap not as wide vs some Teams). But they had better talent in the last round but it was lack of execution.

[Peter_Spaeth]

They've given up one goal in three games. Their talent will carry them IMO.

[mrreality68]

should be a great final 16 Knock out round style. And we had upsets like Italy, Canada, and Brazil knocked out

and teams like South Africa, Nigeria, and Jamaica getting in.

[ClementeFanOh]

Spain and Japan looking GOOD today. Tomorrow is a fascinating game for
the USWNT. Talk about being backed into a corner with a lot to prove! That
game should speak volumes- one way or another- about this WCup squad.
Looks to me like several teams play better soccer than USWNT, or at least
do so more consistently. Soccer is compelling in that so much scrutiny can
be dumped onto the #1 team. Gonna be a must watch for me... Trent King

[robinsonmantle]

I agree!
Spain dominated Switzerland even with their best player not playing. The Japanese squad looks solid all around and play a team game.

I am hopeful for tomorrow’s Team USA but will sadly not be shocked if Sweden blows them out of the water. The line up isn’t working nor are the formations. Change is needed. I hope we see it tomorrow but . . .

The rest of the world has improved but Team USA still has talent, maybe not the best coaching to get the most out of the talent?


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[mrreality68]

Sweden is highly ranked(#3 in world I believe) and they have look good and disciplined this World Cup So far.

Team USA needs to step up or they will lose. They have the skill sets but do not seem to play like a team.

Japan Surprised me how well they have played and could go real deep. They are a dangerous Team.

Originally Posted by bk400

Carli Lloyd is absolutely right. I'd frankly rather have a 41-year old Carli Lloyd out there on the field right now.

I think missing Becky Sauerbrunn hurts a lot, as Julie Ertz has to play center back (says a lot about how good Julie Ertz is) instead of her natural position as a defensive midfielder.

Andronovski seems to be pretending he's coaching a premier league men's team, where the quality is so high that you can change your lineup on the fly and still be in sync.

I suspect that our ladies are going to be fired up against Sweden, but it's going to take more than individual aggression and flair to beat them.

True missing Becky Sauerbrunn hurts, but Julie Ertz has to start in her natural position, which she distributes the ball well from there and has good chemistry with Lindsey Horan. Andonovski needs to move Ertz back to her position if they want to get past Sweden

[robinsonmantle]

Please sub Smith out.

Team USA has looked better than any other game so far.


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[ClementeFanOh]

Melissa- Good to read you on here. I thought Sweden made really nice
adjustments after half (or just got a good talking to). Extra time coming, will
check in later... Trent King

[ClementeFanOh]

I'm checking in at breaks It seems like US "won" the first half and Sweden
the 2nd. I think Sweden look better in extra time, slightly. Sets up for a
good finish for the viewer... Trent King

[robinsonmantle]

I agree. Williams has played well but why take Morgan out and leave Smith in?

Smith is overrated.


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[robinsonmantle]

Both goalies have played very well.


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[ClementeFanOh]

PKs! Wow... a couple observations-

1) US defense has been stellar, can't complain about it at all

2) Same for Sweden, especially goalie. Has she been favoring a side, trying
to hide an injury she got in first half?

3) I'm trying to figure out why Morgan stayed in so long. She was the lone
forward yet has played very...passively is the word, maybe? She won't
try defenders face to face, often passes her teammates out of plays or
into trouble, and refuses to defend in any meaningful way. Ninety minutes
of, say, Lynn Williams may have broken the Swedish seal. Just a thought.

4) Now it's anyone's game

Trent King

5) whoops! Really liked Fox in this game

[robinsonmantle]

Tough way to go. Our goalie played well. MVP

Why didn’t Williams take a Pk? Smith continued her streak of stinking and me not understanding why she was in there.

Good game, tough way to lose.


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[ClementeFanOh]

Well, there it is...7 US shooters, and THREE didn't even force the Swedish
goalie to make a save. There needs to be a lot of soul searching within that
team and organization- not excuse searching, soul searching. I had a feeling
as I watched them in Group stage, that they were a bit like Mike Tyson before
the Buster Douglas fight.

Japan Sweden should be a great match, I won't stop watching merely because
US faltered. Back to the drawing board, USWNT.

Trent King

[robinsonmantle]

Trent, I agree. The USA soccer organization needs to do some real soul searching and make some changes.

It’s a great tournament, I’m going to continue to watch.

Japan looks good and Spain looked dominate.


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[Carter08]

Originally Posted by robinsonmantle

Trent, I agree. The USA soccer organization needs to do some real soul searching and make some changes.

It’s a great tournament, I’m going to continue to watch.

Japan looks good and Spain looked dominate.


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Don’t forget my Dutch!

[mrreality68]

Sadly not surprised that they lost.
They came out strong and played a solid game. As mentioned earlier it felt like they won the first half and lost the 2nd half.....And Beyond. their goalie was solid and the defense was better than previous games

However, I feel that the Swedish team made better adjustments after the first half and thru out the game.

I feel some of the coaching calls or lack their of hurt.

The Same was super close, dramatic and great to watch. Both teams deserved to win But Sweden came out on top.

looking forward to the rest of the world cup just would have prefered the US to go further.

Definitely Dramatic just a shame many people missed it do to the time difference

[bk400]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Sadly not surprised that they lost.
They came out strong and played a solid game. As mentioned earlier it felt like they won the first half and lost the 2nd half.....And Beyond. their goalie was solid and the defense was better than previous games

However, I feel that the Swedish team made better adjustments after the first half and thru out the game.

I feel some of the coaching calls or lack their of hurt.

The Same was super close, dramatic and great to watch. Both teams deserved to win But Sweden came out on top.

looking forward to the rest of the world cup just would have prefered the US to go further.

Definitely Dramatic just a shame many people missed it do to the time difference

The defense showed up today, that's for sure. Repeating myself a bit, but missing Becky Sauerbrunn really messes up their lineup. Ertz is an absolute defensive stalwart (mistimed jump vs Portugal notwithstanding), but (as someone else also noted above) we really needed her this tournament in the 6 spot.

As for the penalties, yeah, all a bit nervy and uncharacteristic. But should be a good lesson for the next WC.

[ClementeFanOh]

I just read elsewhere that USWNT scored exactly ONE goal in the most
recent 300 minutes of game play at WCup. Ouch.

Trent King

[Peter_Spaeth]

One sure would have expected the prolific Sophia Smith to do some scoring. But ultimately it's a team game and even a mega star cannot be expected just to manufacture opportunities. Hopefully the popularity of women's soccer in the US won't take a hit.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

I just read elsewhere that USWNT scored exactly ONE goal in the most
recent 300 minutes of game play at WCup. Ouch.

Trent King

Not counting the PKs against Sweden, they only gave up 1 goal as well so a little more offense would have gone a long way.

[ClementeFanOh]

Peter- It may be wise to pump the brakes a bit on Smith as a "mega star".
And I'd be stunned if women's soccer in general in US took a hit due to
this result.

Jay- No doubt, I mentioned the scoring to highlight a problem. The defense
surely wasn't the cause of this extremely early exit.

Trent King

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Peter- It may be wise to pump the brakes a bit on Smith as a "mega star".
And I'd be stunned if women's soccer in general in US took a hit due to
this result.

Jay- No doubt, I mentioned the scoring to highlight a problem. The defense
surely wasn't the cause of this extremely early exit.

Trent King

Defense was great and Sweden only had I believe 1 official while the US had 11 official shots on goal.

Unfortunately Sweden’s goalie and their defense had a bend not break philosophy and in penalty kicks the US Lost it

https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/202...en's%20one.

[frankbmd]

When the Vietnamese team proudly sang their national anthem before the match with USNWT, my interest in the World Cup was over. When our team is proud to represent their country, I remain open to changing my mind. Just sayin’.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

When the Vietnamese team proudly sang their national anthem before the match with USNWT, my interest in the World Cup was over. When our team is proud to represent their country, I remain open to changing my mind. Just sayin’.

I'm guessing you're not a Colin Kaepernick fan, Frank?

[Peter_Spaeth]

A horrible moment for Rapinoe, but looking at the big picture, what is her legacy? Is she a top ten women's player or a notch below?

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A horrible moment for Rapinoe, but looking at the big picture, what is her legacy? Is she a top ten women's player or a notch below?

I would say a notch or so below. She is like the Joan Rivers of soccer. Makes sure you know she is there even when she is mediocre. At least one person in her family will be considered one of the greatest of all time, her mate Sue Bird.

[ClementeFanOh]

Back to game action- England squeaked by, living to fight another day.
Australia looked good! Trent King

[robinsonmantle]

Trent - yes but England’s best players, James has a red card and is out for the next game.

Many good games to come.


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[ClementeFanOh]

Hi Melissa- yes indeed, and I think she merited that card. Some cool matchups
coming. Trent King

PS- think Andonovski regrets not keeping Ashley Hatch??

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't know why, but unlike the men's tournament, I find myself not caring with the USA gone.

[ClementeFanOh]

Peter- your loss. Trent King

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Peter- your loss. Trent King

Trent, no doubt, obviously there are great teams and players left. But I am guessing I am not alone.

[robinsonmantle]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Hi Melissa- yes indeed, and I think she merited that card. Some cool matchups
coming. Trent King

PS- think Andonovski regrets not keeping Ashley Hatch??

I think the ESPN article nailed many points including not playing the right players and not taking the right roster.

I’d be very surprised if he was back.

Team USA needs some rebuilding and depth.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/...-injuries-more


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[Peter_Spaeth]

A lot of hindsight and revisionism in that article. Before the tournament here's what ESPN said about the "one dimensional" Smith, who they ranked the third best player.

Leading a generational shift within the U.S. women's national team is Sophia Smith, the young forward who will likely score the bulk of the USWNT's goals. As a striker in club play and primarily a winger for the U.S., Smith's strength is in her confidence and audacity to go at goal. She's not afraid to take on defenders, and she's emerged as a ruthlessly incisive finisher as she has come into form for this World Cup. As she heads to New Zealand, she puts pause on a club season where she is the NWSL's Golden Boot leader with 10 goals in 13 games.

When your one dimension is scoring goals, perhaps that isn't a valid criticism in a sport where a couple of goals usually wins a game?

And yes, we could have the same discussion more or less about Cristiano Ronaldo.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't know why, but unlike the men's tournament, I find myself not caring with the USA gone.

I have the exact opposite feeling, not that I care that much about soccer but its nice to see other teams compete for their countries. The drama surrounding the US team got a bit exhausting.