The T206 QUINTUPLICATE challenge....try doing this run....if you dare !

[tedzan]

A number of us long-time T206 "junkies" never cease collecting T206's. In a thread posted back in 2008, I introduced a challenging
run, which I refer to as the QUINTUPLICATE connection.

During the Spring-Summer of 1910, American Lithographic printed a series of 5 Tobacco backs whose stylistic design is very similar.
The artistic framework of the AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 - BROAD LEAF 350 - 1910 COUPON - CYCLE 350 - DRUM backs is identical. It
most likely was the same artist that drew-up these five backs.

The QUINTUPLICATE run is limited by the 48 Major League subjects in the 1910 COUPON set. My next post will include the checklist
of the 48 guys that you can choose from.


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TED Z

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[tedzan]

Possible QUINTUPLICATE run check-list (48 subjects)

Becker......Boston NL
Bender (trees)......A's
Byrne......St Louis NL
Campbell......Cincinnati
Chance (portrait-yellow)......Chicago NL
Charles......St Louis NL
Chase (blue portrait)......New York AL
Chase (dark cap)......New York AL
Cobb (red portrait)......Detroit
Cree......New York AL
Donovan (throwing)......Detroit
Doolan (fielding)......Phillies
Dubuc......Cincinnati
Dunn......Brooklyn
Engle......New York AL
Evers (bat-yellow sky)......Chicago NL
Fletcher.....New York NL
Hartsel......A's
Hoffman......St Louis AL
Howell (portrait)......St Louis AL

Huggins (portrait).....Cincinnati
Huggins (hands at mouth)......Cincinnati
Hunter......Brooklyn
Killian (portrait)......Detroit
Knabe......Phillies
LaPorte......New York AL
Lennox......Brooklyn
Marquard (portrait)......New York NL
Mathewson (dark cap)......New York NL
Marshall......Brooklyn
McBride......Washington
McElveen......Brooklyn
McIntyre.......Detroit
Mitchell.......Cincinnati
Mowery......Cincinnati
Myers (bat)......New York NL
Myers (fielding)......New York NL
Paskert.......Cincinnati
Rhoades (hands at chest)......Cleveland
Rossman......Detroit

Schmidt (portrait)......Detroit
Starr......Boston NL
Street (portrait)......Washington
Summers......Detroit
Sweeney.......Boston NL
Thomas......A's
Willett......Detroit
Wilson......Pittsburg


TED Z

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[Rhotchkiss]

I have an Evers yellow sky run, minus the Drum

I know Speaker is not on the list, but I have this run in Speaker minus the T213, which of course does not exist

[Casey2296]

Beautiful back run Ted, what would you guess the buy-in on that run is today?

[tedzan]

A - B - C - C - D connection (QUINTUPLICATE)





Displayed here is the closest I have come to completing a QUINTUPLICATE run. Since 1981 (when I started my blue Chase run),
I have never seen this Chase with a DRUM back.
What is the probability that at least one blue Chase DRUM exists ?


Note....the A - B - C - D connection of the 350-only Series was printed on 190 subjects.




TED Z

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[markf31]

Has a Wilson with a Drum ever been confirmed?

[tedzan]

Hi Mark

Owen Wilson with a DRUM back does not appear on the PSA, nor SGC Pop Reports.


TED Z

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I have an Evers yellow sky run, minus the Drum

I know Speaker is not on the list, but I have this run in Speaker minus the T213, which of course does not exist

Hi Ryan

Only one DRUM is known for the Evers yellow sky guy. I wish you lots of luck finding another DRUM, in order to complete the Quintuplicate run of this Evers.

Take care my good friend,

TED Z

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[tedzan]

15 years ago, I attained my Frank Delehanty A - B - C - D run, hoping to complete a QUINTUPLICATE run.

T'was not be for Ted Z, as I had completely forgotten that Frank Delahanty is not in the 1910 COUPON set.


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TED Z

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Beautiful back run Ted, what would you guess the buy-in on that run is today?

Thanks Phil for the compliment.

My guess depends on the T206 subject on the front of those 5 cards. The best I can
say is that in today's market, the cost approaches some "big-bucks".

In 2008 when I first thought of this special run the cost for such a Quintuplicate run
of a given non-star subject was approx. 2K (or less).


TED Z

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[atx840]

Great thread Ted!

I have the same as you on the Chase blue port, missing the elusive Drum.

[53toppscollector]

VCP does not list any sales of the Drum for the Chase Blue. Have you guys ever seen one come to auction?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

VCP does not list any sales of the Drum for the Chase Blue. Have you guys ever seen one come to auction?

Hi James

I noted in an earlier post here that I have never seen a DRUM back on this T206 Chase portrait. I have been searching for one since 1981.

Originally Posted by tedzan

A - B - C - C - D connection (QUINTUPLICATE)





Displayed here is the closest I have come to completing a QUINTUPLICATE run. Since 1981 (when I started my blue Chase run),
I have never seen this Chase with a DRUM back.


TED Z

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by atx840

Great thread Ted!

I have the same as you on the Chase blue port, missing the elusive Drum.

I appreciate the compliment....Chris.

What "bugs" me about this situation is......
Chase appears to be American Litho's favorite guy (five T206 images of Chase, and at least 30 front/back versions of white-bordered T-cards of him).

And yet, no DRUM card of him. Very, very strange !


TED Z

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[tedzan]

My favorite T206 fielding pose, Mickey Doolan, is a real challenge. Only two (perhaps 3) of his BROAD LEAF 350 cards are known.
And, as far as I know, no DRUM has been discovered.
Nevertheless, I will continue the search.

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TED Z

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[tedzan]

I am keeping this thread active, by continuing with this Mickey Doolan run. This T206 Doolan is part of an interesting group of 36 subjects
in the 350-only Series which were not printed with these popular T206 backs....CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR.

Anyways, this run of mine will be complete when I get his BROAD LEAF 350 and DRUM cards. No DRUM has yet been confirmed, though.







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Sweet Cap, Fact. #25





TED Z

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[tedzan]

And for good measure, I will throw in my...."MEGA T206"....Mickey Doolan
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TED Z

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[tedzan]

Of all the QUINTUPLICATE runs which I have attempted, this Chance has been a real challenge. I acquired his 1910 COUPON a number
of years ago, so I thought this run would not be a tough one to complete. Well, the BROAD LEAF and the DRUM have proved otherwise.
There are only a couple of the BROAD LEAF cards known. And, just one DRUM card.


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TED Z

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[timber63401]

Originally Posted by tedzan

QUINTUPLICATE run check-list (48 subjects)

Becker......Boston NL
Bender (trees)......A's
Byrne......St Louis NL
Campbell......Cincinnati
Chance (portrait-yellow)......Chicago NL
Charles......St Louis NL
Chase (blue portrait)......New York AL
Chase (dark cap)......New York AL
Cobb (red portrait)......Detroit
Cree......New York AL
Donovan (throwing)......Detroit
Doolan (fielding)......Phillies
Dubuc......Cincinnati
Dunn......Brooklyn
Engle......New York AL
Evers (bat-yellow sky)......Chicago NL
Fletcher.....New York NL
Hartsel......A's
Hoffman......St Louis AL
Howell (portrait)......St Louis AL

Huggins (portrait).....Cincinnati
Huggins (hands at mouth)......Cincinnati
Hunter......Brooklyn
Killian (portrait)......Detroit
Knabe......Phillies
LaPorte......New York AL
Lennox......Brooklyn
Marquard (portrait)......New York NL
Mathewson (dark cap)......New York NL
Marshall......Brooklyn
McBride......Washington
McElveen......Brooklyn
McIntyre.......Detroit
Mitchell.......Cincinnati
Mowery......Cincinnati
Myers (bat)......New York NL
Myers (fielding)......New York NL
Paskert.......Cincinnati
Rhoades (hands at chest)......Cleveland
Rossman......Detroit

Schmidt (portrait)......Detroit
Starr......Boston NL
Street (portrait)......Washington
Summers......Detroit
Sweeney.......Boston NL
Thomas......A's
Willett......Detroit
Wilson......Pittsburg


TED Z

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Sorry for dumb question but which of these would be the easiest/most affordable to chase? Thanks.

[53toppscollector]

low grade Drums of even commons will likely run you at least $7-8k at this point. there are zero Drums even listed on ebay right now. a low grade Broad Leaf will run you between $1500-2000 if you get lucky. You can get Cycles and ABs for $300 or less in lower grade. Coupons seem to vary in price quite a bit depending on the subject.

correction: there is a Bender No Trees Drum listed right now for $49,000

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

low grade Drums of even commons will likely run you at least $7-8k at this point. there are zero Drums even listed on ebay right now. a low grade Broad Leaf will run you between $1500-2000 if you get lucky. You can get Cycles and ABs for $300 or less in lower grade. Coupons seem to vary in price quite a bit depending on the subject.

correction: there is a Bender No Trees Drum listed right now for $49,000

And that's BL 350...BL 460 pricing is similar to, or often higher than, Drum.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by timber63401

Sorry for dumb question but which of these would be the easiest/most affordable to chase? Thanks.

Your question is not a "dumb" one.

Obviously, you want put together a Non-Star run of your choice to keep the cost down.

But, a more important factor is choosing a T206 from this group, which has available a
DRUM card. A DRUM card is needed to complete this run......and, approx. half of these
subjects have yet to have their DRUM back confirmed.

Tomorrow, I will post a list of the guys whose DRUM backs have been confirmed.



TED Z

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[tedzan]

Double post.

[tedzan]

From the above group of 48....listed here are the 27 subjects which have been confirmed with DRUM (to date).

This 5-card run can be a lot of fun, if you have the will and patience to go the distance.





Becker......Boston NL
Bender (trees)......Phila. A's
Chance (portrait-yellow)......Chicago NL
Charles......St Louis NL
Cobb (red portrait)......Detroit
Engle......New York AL
Evers (bat-yellow sky)......Chicago NL
Fletcher......New York NL
Hartsel.......Phila. A's
Hoffman.....St Louis AL
Howell (portrait)......St Louis AL
Huggins (hands at mouth)......Cincinnati
Hunter......Brooklyn
Killian (portrait)......Detroit
Knabe......Phillies
LaPorte..........New York AL
Lennox..........Brooklyn
Marshall.........Brooklyn
McIntyre........Detroit
Mitchell..........Cincinnati
Myers (bat)....New York NL
Schmidt (portrait)......Detroit
Starr......Boston NL
Street (portrait)......Washington
Sweeney.......Boston NL
Thomas........Phila. A's
Willett..........Detroit


TED Z

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[tedzan]

I received an email from a "Net54 reader" *.....inquiring about the 36 subjects in the 350-only
Series which were NOT printed with..... CAROLINA BRIGHTS - EPDG - OLD MILL - POLAR BEAR
that I noted here in Post #16.

I find this quite interesting, in that it tells us that these 36 guys are "exclusive" with respect to
the other 154 subjects in the 350-only Series. Furthermore, it suggests that these 36 subjects
were printed on a sheet of their own. My guess is this press run was very early in the Spring of
1910. My understanding is that the CAROLINA BRIGHTS & POLAR BEAR backs were not printed
until the Summer of 1910.

Checklist of this "exclusive" group of 36 no-prints (CB - EPDG - OM - PB) in the 350-only series.

Arndt
Becker
Butler
Cassidy
Charles
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Fletcher
Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall

McBride
McElveen
McGinley
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moran (Providence)
Myers (batting)
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Street (portrait)
Summers


* Note....."reader" is my preferred term (I do not like the term "lurker").


TED Z

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[FrankWakefield]

It seems noteworthy that both of Huggins' cards (portrait and hands at mouth) would be on the same sheet. That seems odd to me. Yet I agree with the "same sheet" thought being most likely.

Seems to me that generally, (whatever that is) a T206 HOFers portrait gets a slight premium over the other cards. But it seems that Huggins doesn't follow that, the hands at mouth cards fetch a slightly higher price than the portraits.

[jggames]

Hey Ted,
Love these threads. Is there a reason Dineen isn't on this list?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by jggames

Hey Ted,
Love these threads. Is there a reason Dineen isn't on this list?

Hi Jason

Dineen was printed in the A - B - C - D group....and has CB, EPDG. and OM backs.

I am not sure I understand your question.





TED Z

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[jggames]

Hey Ted,
I didn't see him on this list, which I thought was the possible ABCD players.

Originally Posted by tedzan

From the above group of 48....listed here are the 27 subjects which have been confirmed with DRUM (to date).

This 5-card run can be a lot of fun, if you have the will and patience to go the distance.



Becker......Boston NL
Bender (trees)......Phila. A's
Chance (portrait-yellow)......Chicago NL
Charles......St Louis NL
Cobb (red portrait)......Detroit
Engle......New York AL
Evers (bat-yellow sky)......Chicago NL
Fletcher......New York NL
Hartsel.......Phila. A's
Hoffman.....St Louis AL
Howell (portrait)......St Louis AL
Huggins (hands at mouth)......Cincinnati
Hunter......Brooklyn
Killian (portrait)......Detroit
Knabe......Phillies
LaPorte..........New York AL
Lennox..........Brooklyn
Marshall.........Brooklyn
McIntyre........Detroit
Mitchell..........Cincinnati
Myers (bat)....New York NL
Schmidt (portrait)......Detroit
Starr......Boston NL
Street (portrait)......Washington
Sweeney.......Boston NL
Thomas........Phila. A's
Willett..........Detroit


TED Z

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[53toppscollector]

Dineen has an AB 350, Cycle 350, Drum and BL 350. I don't know if he has a Coupon

[tedzan]

Hi Jason and James

Dineen was not printed with the 1910 COUPON back.


TED Z

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[Marslife]

I thought I had 3 out of 5, but looks like I have the wrong Coupon? I guess there is another Coupon I have to look for?

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I received an email from a "Net54 reader" *.....inquiring about the 36 subjects in the 350-only
Series which were NOT printed with..... CAROLINA BRIGHTS - EPDG - OLD MILL - POLAR BEAR
that I noted here in Post #16.

I find this quite interesting, in that it tells us that these 36 guys are "exclusive" with respect to
the other 154 subjects in the 350-only Series. Furthermore, it suggests that these 36 subjects
were printed on a sheet of their own. My guess is this press run was very early in the Spring of
1910. My understanding is that the CAROLINA BRIGHTS & POLAR BEAR backs were not printed
until the Summer of 1910.

Checklist of this "exclusive" group of 36 no-prints (CB - EPDG - OM - PB) in the 350-only series.

Arndt
Becker
Butler
Cassidy
Charles
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Fletcher
Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall

McBride
McElveen
McGinley
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moran (Providence)
Myers (batting)
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Street (portrait)
Summers


* Note....."reader" is my preferred term (I do not like the term "lurker").


TED Z

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Bob Hall should be on this list.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

* * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * *





Hey guys,
Getting back to the main topic....my research has identified one more subject to add to this group of T206's in the 350-only Series. It appears to me that Bob Hall
was not printed with CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, nor POLAR BEAR backs, so we can include in him in this unique club.

Now this 37th subject does not alter the configuration of their printed sheet. Thirty seven subjects were printed on a 36-card sheet by simply replacing a particular
subject (due to a player's retirement during that press run) with another subject. American Lithographic did exactly this with the 37 cards printed with AMERICAN
BEAUTY 350 (no frame) cards. Nichols (who retired) was replaced with Stahl. For more information regarding this, check-out Post #39 in this thread.


New checklist of this "exclusive" group of 37 subjects that are 350-only series No-Prints with respect to CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR.

Arndt
Becker
Butler
Cassidy
Charles
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs
Fletcher
Hall
Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)

Marshall
McBride
McElveen
McGinley
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cincinnati)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moran (Providence)
Myers (batting)
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Street (portrait)
Summers


Any inputs regarding this subject are really appreciated.


TED Z
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Bob Hall is on this list...... refer to T206 REFERENCE: post #896 (dated 1-11-2020)


TED Z

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[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by Marslife

I thought I had 3 out of 5, but looks like I have the wrong Coupon? I guess there is another Coupon I have to look for?

Hi, Cliff, Bender Trees has a Coupon Type 1, 3 different type 2's, Baltimore, Phili Amer and Nat, and Type 3 factory 3 and 8.


I would try a run if I found a cheap Drum. I try to pick up BL350 if they go cheap. I only have a few bl350. Maybe one day.

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by tedzan

And for good measure, I will throw in my...."MEGA T206"....Mickey Doolan
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TED Z

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Dont forget The Doolin version for completeness, Ted.

Thanks for the thread. The ability to collect these kinds of runs by a reasonable connector is getting buried so most can only enjoy them through you.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Bob Hall is on this list...... refer to T206 REFERENCE: post #896 (dated 1-11-2020)


TED Z

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I was referring to the list in this thread.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

Dont forget The Doolin version for completeness, Ted.

Thanks for the thread. The ability to collect these kinds of runs by a reasonable connector is getting buried so most can only enjoy them through you.

Paul

I really appreciate your kind words.

The T206 set is replete with delightful mysteries....and I enjoy exploring them.

I've been doing this for 42+ years. Starting with Hal Chase and Carl Lundgren.


TED Z

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