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The T206 QUINTUPLICATE challenge....try doing this run....if you dare !
A number of us long-time T206 "junkies" never cease collecting T206's. In a thread posted back in 2008, I introduced a challenging
run, which I refer to as the QUINTUPLICATE connection. During the Spring-Summer of 1910, American Lithographic printed a series of 5 Tobacco backs whose stylistic design is very similar. The artistic framework of the AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 - BROAD LEAF 350 - 1910 COUPON - CYCLE 350 - DRUM backs is identical. It most likely was the same artist that drew-up these five backs. The QUINTUPLICATE run is limited by the 48 Major League subjects in the 1910 COUPON set. My next post will include the checklist of the 48 guys that you can choose from. . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...B350frameX.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...blueChaseX.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...Willett19b.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...350HaydenX.jpg .https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...dDRUMx25bk.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
The T206 QUINTUPLICATE challenge....try doing this run....if you dare !Reply to Thre
Possible QUINTUPLICATE run check-list (48 subjects)
Becker......Boston NL Bender (trees)......A's Byrne......St Louis NL Campbell......Cincinnati Chance (portrait-yellow)......Chicago NL Charles......St Louis NL Chase (blue portrait)......New York AL Chase (dark cap)......New York AL Cobb (red portrait)......Detroit Cree......New York AL Donovan (throwing)......Detroit Doolan (fielding)......Phillies Dubuc......Cincinnati Dunn......Brooklyn Engle......New York AL Evers (bat-yellow sky)......Chicago NL Fletcher.....New York NL Hartsel......A's Hoffman......St Louis AL Howell (portrait)......St Louis AL Huggins (portrait).....Cincinnati Huggins (hands at mouth)......Cincinnati Hunter......Brooklyn Killian (portrait)......Detroit Knabe......Phillies LaPorte......New York AL Lennox......Brooklyn Marquard (portrait)......New York NL Mathewson (dark cap)......New York NL Marshall......Brooklyn McBride......Washington McElveen......Brooklyn McIntyre.......Detroit Mitchell.......Cincinnati Mowery......Cincinnati Myers (bat)......New York NL Myers (fielding)......New York NL Paskert.......Cincinnati Rhoades (hands at chest)......Cleveland Rossman......Detroit Schmidt (portrait)......Detroit Starr......Boston NL Street (portrait)......Washington Summers......Detroit Sweeney.......Boston NL Thomas......A's Willett......Detroit Wilson......Pittsburg TED Z T206 Reference . |
I have an Evers yellow sky run, minus the Drum
I know Speaker is not on the list, but I have this run in Speaker minus the T213, which of course does not exist |
Beautiful back run Ted, what would you guess the buy-in on that run is today?
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The T206 QUINTUPLICATE challenge....try doing this run....if you dare !
A - B - C - C - D connection (QUINTUPLICATE)
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...uplcate75x.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...LxCOxCYx25.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...6DRUMx50bx.jpg Displayed here is the closest I have come to completing a QUINTUPLICATE run. Since 1981 (when I started my blue Chase run), I have never seen this Chase with a DRUM back. What is the probability that at least one blue Chase DRUM exists ? Note....the A - B - C - D connection of the 350-only Series was printed on 190 subjects. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...B350frameX.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ADLEAF350b.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...350HaydenX.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ldDRUMx25b.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
Has a Wilson with a Drum ever been confirmed?
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The T206 QUINTUPLICATE challenge....try doing this run....if you dare !
Hi Mark
Owen Wilson with a DRUM back does not appear on the PSA, nor SGC Pop Reports. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Hi Ryan Only one DRUM is known for the Evers yellow sky guy. I wish you lots of luck finding another DRUM, in order to complete the Quintuplicate run of this Evers. Take care my good friend, TED Z T206 Reference . |
The T206 QUINTUPLICATE challenge....try doing this run....if you dare !
15 years ago, I attained my Frank Delehanty A - B - C - D run, hoping to complete a QUINTUPLICATE run.
T'was not be for Ted Z, as I had completely forgotten that Frank Delahanty is not in the 1910 COUPON set. . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ntyABCDx50.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...tyABCDx50b.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Thanks Phil for the compliment. My guess depends on the T206 subject on the front of those 5 cards. The best I can say is that in today's market, the cost approaches some "big-bucks". In 2008 when I first thought of this special run the cost for such a Quintuplicate run of a given non-star subject was approx. 2K (or less). TED Z T206 Reference . |
Great thread Ted!
I have the same as you on the Chase blue port, missing the elusive Drum. |
VCP does not list any sales of the Drum for the Chase Blue. Have you guys ever seen one come to auction?
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Hi James I noted in an earlier post here that I have never seen a DRUM back on this T206 Chase portrait. I have been searching for one since 1981. Quote:
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I appreciate the compliment....Chris. What "bugs" me about this situation is...... Chase appears to be American Litho's favorite guy (five T206 images of Chase, and at least 30 front/back versions of white-bordered T-cards of him). And yet, no DRUM card of him. Very, very strange ! TED Z T206 Reference . |
The T206 QUINTUPLICATE challenge....try doing this run....if you dare !
My favorite T206 fielding pose, Mickey Doolan, is a real challenge. Only two (perhaps 3) of his BROAD LEAF 350 cards are known.
And, as far as I know, no DRUM has been discovered. Nevertheless, I will continue the search. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ycle350xxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...PONDoolanX.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...cle350bxxx.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Doolan19xB.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
The T206 QUINTUPLICATE challenge....try doing this run....if you dare !
I am keeping this thread active, by continuing with this Mickey Doolan run. This T206 Doolan is part of an interesting group of 36 subjects
in the 350-only Series which were not printed with these popular T206 backs....CAROLINA BRIGHTS, EPDG, OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR. Anyways, this run of mine will be complete when I get his BROAD LEAF 350 and DRUM cards. No DRUM has yet been confirmed, though. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Cf30xscrap.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ycle350xxx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...PONDoolanX.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...cle350bxxx.jpg . . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Doolan19xB.jpg Sweet Cap, Fact. #25 http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ovTolstoiX.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vTolstoiBx.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
The T206 QUINTUPLICATE challenge....try doing this run....if you dare !
And for good measure, I will throw in my...."MEGA T206"....Mickey Doolan :)
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The T206 QUINTUPLICATE challenge....try doing this run....if you dare !
Of all the QUINTUPLICATE runs which I have attempted, this Chance has been a real challenge. I acquired his 1910 COUPON a number
of years ago, so I thought this run would not be a tough one to complete. Well, the BROAD LEAF and the DRUM have proved otherwise. There are only a couple of the BROAD LEAF cards known. And, just one DRUM card. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...uponChance.jpg . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...0Coupon50b.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ovAB350x25.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...tCYCLE460b.jpg https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...vAB350x25b.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...rtCYCLE460.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Sorry for dumb question but which of these would be the easiest/most affordable to chase? Thanks. |
low grade Drums of even commons will likely run you at least $7-8k at this point. there are zero Drums even listed on ebay right now. a low grade Broad Leaf will run you between $1500-2000 if you get lucky. You can get Cycles and ABs for $300 or less in lower grade. Coupons seem to vary in price quite a bit depending on the subject.
correction: there is a Bender No Trees Drum listed right now for $49,000 |
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Your question is not a "dumb" one. Obviously, you want put together a Non-Star run of your choice to keep the cost down. But, a more important factor is choosing a T206 from this group, which has available a DRUM card. A DRUM card is needed to complete this run......and, approx. half of these subjects have yet to have their DRUM back confirmed. Tomorrow, I will post a list of the guys whose DRUM backs have been confirmed. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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The T206 QUINTUPLICATE challenge....try doing this run....if you dare !
From the above group of 48....listed here are the 27 subjects which have been confirmed with DRUM (to date).
This 5-card run can be a lot of fun, if you have the will and patience to go the distance. https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...dDRUMx25bk.jpg Becker......Boston NL Bender (trees)......Phila. A's Chance (portrait-yellow)......Chicago NL Charles......St Louis NL Cobb (red portrait)......Detroit Engle......New York AL Evers (bat-yellow sky)......Chicago NL Fletcher......New York NL Hartsel.......Phila. A's Hoffman.....St Louis AL Howell (portrait)......St Louis AL Huggins (hands at mouth)......Cincinnati Hunter......Brooklyn Killian (portrait)......Detroit Knabe......Phillies LaPorte..........New York AL Lennox..........Brooklyn Marshall.........Brooklyn McIntyre........Detroit Mitchell..........Cincinnati Myers (bat)....New York NL Schmidt (portrait)......Detroit Starr......Boston NL Street (portrait)......Washington Sweeney.......Boston NL Thomas........Phila. A's Willett..........Detroit TED Z T206 Reference . |
The T206 QUINTUPLICATE challenge....try doing this run....if you dare !
I received an email from a "Net54 reader" *.....inquiring about the 36 subjects in the 350-only
Series which were NOT printed with..... CAROLINA BRIGHTS - EPDG - OLD MILL - POLAR BEAR that I noted here in Post #16. I find this quite interesting, in that it tells us that these 36 guys are "exclusive" with respect to the other 154 subjects in the 350-only Series. Furthermore, it suggests that these 36 subjects were printed on a sheet of their own. My guess is this press run was very early in the Spring of 1910. My understanding is that the CAROLINA BRIGHTS & POLAR BEAR backs were not printed until the Summer of 1910. Checklist of this "exclusive" group of 36 no-prints (CB - EPDG - OM - PB) in the 350-only series. Arndt Becker Butler Cassidy Charles Donovan (throwing) Doolan (fielding) Downs Fletcher Hoffman (St Louis) Howell (portrait) Huggins (portrait) Huggins (hands at mouth) Hunter Killian (portrait) Knabe Lennox Malarkey Marquard (portrait) Marshall McBride McElveen McGinley McIntyre (Detroit) Mitchell (Cincinnati) Mitchell (Toronto) Moran (Providence) Myers (batting) Paskert Phelan Poland Rhoades (hands at chest) Schmidt (portrait) Starr Street (portrait) Summers * Note....."reader" is my preferred term (I do not like the term "lurker"). TED Z T206 Reference . |
It seems noteworthy that both of Huggins' cards (portrait and hands at mouth) would be on the same sheet. That seems odd to me. Yet I agree with the "same sheet" thought being most likely.
Seems to me that generally, (whatever that is) a T206 HOFers portrait gets a slight premium over the other cards. But it seems that Huggins doesn't follow that, the hands at mouth cards fetch a slightly higher price than the portraits. |
Hey Ted,
Love these threads. Is there a reason Dineen isn't on this list? |
The T206 QUINTUPLICATE challenge....try doing this run....if you dare !
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Hi Jason Dineen was printed in the A - B - C - D group....and has CB, EPDG. and OM backs. I am not sure I understand your question. http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...B350frameX.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ADLEAF350b.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...350HaydenX.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ldDRUMx25b.jpg TED Z T206 Reference . |
Hey Ted,
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Dineen has an AB 350, Cycle 350, Drum and BL 350. I don't know if he has a Coupon
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I thought I had 3 out of 5, but looks like I have the wrong Coupon? I guess there is another Coupon I have to look for?
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Bob Hall should be on this list. |
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Bob Hall is on this list...... refer to T206 REFERENCE: post #896 (dated 1-11-2020) TED Z T206 Reference . |
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I would try a run if I found a cheap Drum. I try to pick up BL350 if they go cheap. I only have a few bl350. Maybe one day. |
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Thanks for the thread. The ability to collect these kinds of runs by a reasonable connector is getting buried so most can only enjoy them through you. |
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Paul I really appreciate your kind words. The T206 set is replete with delightful mysteries....and I enjoy exploring them. I've been doing this for 42+ years. Starting with Hal Chase and Carl Lundgren. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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