SGC - New in 2022

[parkplace33]

SCG grading company came out with a short video saying turnarounds times are 22 days and they are excited about new things in 2022. Any insight what they will be?

Maybe a registry

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

SCG grading company came out with a short video saying turnarounds times are 22 days and they are excited about new things in 2022. Any insight what they will be?

Maybe a registry

Maybe they will start to grade vintage accurately? They are just hammering.

[mrreality68]

I guess details to follow and the great things to come.

Kind of like a teaser.

Hopefully the basics would be nice

1. Accurate grading
2. Faster turnaround time
3. New lower tier pricing for grading
4. Improved communication
5. Easier access to customer service

[Oscar_Stanage]

I'd prefer if they just provided their customers with a registry. seriously, how hard is it to hire some developers and create one?

[sportscardpete]

I bet they form a partnership with someone. Maybe a marketplace so that you can have your cards graded and directly sent to the marketplace to be sold (and maybe the marketplace helps reduce the price or something??). Makes a ton of sense for SGC. If you are a long-term collector you probably don't care, but this will help SGC's position with the flippers, who are an increasingly large % of the hobby.

The registry just makes too much sense. That, and better pop reports so we can easily see how many of a specific card are graded (gosh, it is so annoying seeing total pop report across the big 3 graders - takes way too much time).

[Johnny630]

Any hope of a legit registry, pop report, website and slab with a barcode ?

Let’s Hope 2022 Brings SGC to the National to Grade On Site…..they didn’t do onsite this year. Was shocked they would leave that much money on the table.

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

Originally Posted by Oscar_Stanage

I'd prefer if they just provided their customers with a registry. seriously, how hard is it to hire some developers and create one?

Totally agree. This would be good for their business, having a full featured registry would likely move a few folks off of PSAs dinosaur registry.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Any hope of a legit registry, pop report, website and slab with a barcode ?

Let’s Hope 2022 Brings SGC to the National to Grade On Site…..they didn’t do onsite this year. Was shocked they would leave that much money on the table.

According to them, they had a huge amount of orders in house and they felt obligated to take care of as many of them as they could. I think it was really that they weighed the cost of doing the show with what they could bring in at the show and decided that the extra profit was not worth it and to just deal with their backlog. And then take an opportunity to make it look like they were not being greedy like PSA has proven to be.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

According to them, they had a huge amount of orders in house and they felt obligated to take care of as many of them as they could. I think it was really that they weighed the cost of doing the show with what they could bring in at the show and decided that the extra profit was not worth it and to just deal with their backlog. And then take an opportunity to make it look like they were not being greedy like PSA has proven to be.

Just my two cents. If you’re content with your business you do that. If you’re trying to improve and gain market share from PSA while their affectively shut down at lower tier levels you go and you grade onsite. Especially when there wasn’t even a National in 2021 due to Covid. I want to see SGC step outside of their comfort zone and gain some market share.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Any hope of a .... slab with a barcode ?

I say bring back this look (not my card)

[sb1]

Peter S. has repeatedly said that the Registry is not of importance to them.....

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Just my two cents. If you’re content with your business you do that. If you’re trying to improve and gain market share from PSA while their affectively shut down at lower tier levels you go and you grade onsite. Especially when there wasn’t even a National in 2021 due to Covid. I want to see SGC step outside of their comfort zone and gain some market share.

Sad as it is, I am not sure their gaining real market share is up to them, any longer. This whole time PSA has suspended various service levels it is apparent that SGC has picked up business but I am able to buy SGC material for a pretty significant discount to what the card would have sold for in a PSA holder.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Sad as it is, I am not sure their gaining real market share is up to them, any longer. This whole time PSA has suspended various service levels it is apparent that SGC has picked up business but I am able to buy SGC material for a pretty significant discount to what the card would have sold for in a PSA holder.

I agree.

[Piratedogcardshows]

I do miss the old registry and chat rooms, I hope you can register their old slabs on the new registry if it ever comes about.

[jbsports33]

and I miss the old prices - both SGC and PSA!

Jimmy

[JollyElm]

SGC seems to be the proverbial snack before dinnertime. You're extremely hungry to get something graded, so you send some cards out to them, but you're really just waiting for your mom to put the 'real' meal on the table - PSA getting back to affordable and expedient (ha! ha!) grading.

[wazoo]

Maybe an email that isn't a copy and paste template from Brent

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

SGC, I hope you are lurking in these forums!! You continue to have an opportunity here in the collecting community. Note many of the repeated responses:

1) A lower tiered price point is essential for true collectors. The modern card gradings will soon disappear as the modern card bubble bursts. Respect the vintage guys with a bulk submission rate.
2) You need a darn registry, giving folks more of a reason to buy your cards. If more cards are sold, better prices can be realized by sellers, causing more submissions ($$'s) to come your way.
3) Training in grading standards is a key. Be tough, be easy, I really don't care - just be CONSISTENT.
4) Lastly, many of us have been disenfranchised by PSA. We still buy cards in their holders, but love competition and options when spending hard earned money on fees.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Dead-Ball-Hitter

SGC, I hope you are lurking in these forums!! You continue to have an opportunity here in the collecting community. Note many of the repeated responses:

1) A lower tiered price point is essential for true collectors. The modern card gradings will soon disappear as the modern card bubble bursts. Respect the vintage guys with a bulk submission rate.
2) You need a darn registry, giving folks more of a reason to buy your cards. If more cards are sold, better prices can be realized by sellers, causing more submissions ($$'s) to come your way.
3) Training in grading standards is a key. Be tough, be easy, I really don't care - just be CONSISTENT.
4) Lastly, many of us have been disenfranchised by PSA. We still buy cards in their holders, but love competition and options when spending hard earned money on fees.

This!

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I agree.

If the price of SGC graded, vintage HOF cards ever rises to the level of PSA, there will shock and awe at CU. Their operational crisis eroded faith in many of its hardcore customer base. Blame Pokemon, ineptitude, the agony of waiting for your cards month after month (in my case it was 15 months and I had forgotten what I submitted.), management turnover, Goldin, etc. SGC has partially filled the gap, so power to them. But I fear they have sometimes have forgotten who has been their customer base for years in their push to get as many cards graded in the shortest period of time.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Maybe they will start to grade vintage accurately? They are just hammering.

+1

[aconte]

The registry thing would have happened years ago. It's not in the cards.

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

Originally Posted by aconte

The registry thing would have happened years ago. It's not in the cards.

You might misunderstand Tony, they had a registry for many years, up until a couple years ago. Many of us want it to return. I had 700 cards in various SGC sets. It was maintained for a while on their old website even after they reinvented themselves. A registry is one of the keys to increasing interest in a company’s gradings - even BGS has one.

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by sb1

Peter S. has repeatedly said that the Registry is not of importance to them.....

I think they realize that the registry train left the station a long time ago and they were not on it. PSA owns the registry and it is the most valuable asset that they have.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

I think they realize that the registry train left the station a long time ago and they were not on it. PSA owns the registry and it is the most valuable asset that they have.

Yeah I don't think introduction of a registry would give SGC any more of a competitive edge at this point. PSA has run away with that concept. $30 per card has not helped them either.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

I think they realize that the registry train left the station a long time ago and they were not on it. PSA owns the registry and it is the most valuable asset that they have.

Jay,

Do you think as it seems that more investors/flippers are entering the market these days that it may eventually start to take a little lustre off their registry asset? I know part of that registry advantage is that collectors will pay dearly to improve their set rank and standing on the registry, but a lot of these newcomers don't seem to care about that. They buy the PSA cards because they typically bring a higher price over SGC and Beckett graded cards, but as time goes by and maybe fewer and fewer people are as concerned about the registry, can you see that pricing gap between PSA and the others maybe start to close?

[brewing]

Doesn’t CSG provide most of what’s being asked for here?

I’m guessing the desire for SGC to become what they once were is centered on the fact we have hundreds of cards already in their slabs.

I think it’s clear which collectors SGC is targeting and it isn’t the prewar collector.

[Dead-Ball-Hitter]

Originally Posted by brewing

Doesn’t CSG provide most of what’s being asked for here?

I’m guessing the desire for SGC to become what they once were is centered on the fact we have hundreds of cards already in their slabs.

I think it’s clear which collectors SGC is targeting and it isn’t the prewar collector.

Brent, nice point, you are probably right about the target audience… still think it’s shortsighted of them though. I’ll have to look at CSG more closely, they may be an option going forward. I heard they had some decent funding.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

SCG grading company came out with a short video saying turnarounds times are 22 days and they are excited about new things in 2022. Any insight what they will be?

Maybe a registry

New video today on their site...https://www.gosgc.com/update-20210909

Two weeks later he is now claiming turnaround times were 16 days and the turnaround time will now show 45-50 days on the site but subs will not take that long. LOL. Hope that was not one of the exciting things Peter was referring to in the Dec video!

Again take as much time as you fellas need. How about getting the grades right. The public does not need their cards back fast. They need them back graded right.

[wazoo]

Originally Posted by brewing

doesn’t csg provide most of what’s being asked for here?

I’m guessing the desire for sgc to become what they once were is centered on the fact we have hundreds of cards already in their slabs.

I think it’s clear which collectors sgc is targeting and it isn’t the prewar collector.

+1000.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

New video today on their site...https://www.gosgc.com/update-20210909

Two weeks later he is now claiming turnaround times were 16 days and the turnaround time will now show 45-50 days on the site but subs will not take that long. LOL. Hope that was not one of the exciting things Peter was referring to in the Dec video!

Again take as much time as you fellas need. How about getting the grades right. The public does not need their cards back fast. They need them back graded right.

Did he mention bringing back the guarantee?

[wazoo]

I wish the people at SGC knew how to respond to an email or phone call

My oh my does it seem like things have shifted.

[Jcosta19]

I have a 5 card sub recieved by them on Dec 14th.
Not graded yet, so definitely not 16, even if we are talking 16 business days.

Sent from my SM-G781V using Tapatalk

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Did he mention bringing back the guarantee?

Maybe that is one of the exciting things that are happening soon? Or...maybe not.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Maybe that is one of the exciting things that are happening soon? Or...maybe not.

Maybe. I think it was in 2019 Peter told me they had just taken it down temporarily, their lawyers were reviewing the language, and it would be back up shortly.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Maybe. I think it was in 2019 Peter told me they had just taken it down temporarily, their lawyers were reviewing the language, and it would be back up shortly.

adverb
only for a while or for the time being; not permanently.

Well we won't know until the end of time that it had not taken down temporarily but permanently.

Begs the question why a lawyer would have them remove their guarantee after all of these years. I mean the G in SGC does stand for guarantee, after all. Nice to see that accountability is removed at the top. Yet I read on here how collectors repeatedly expect auction houses to pick up altered cards in slabs.

What a seriously silly hobby this has become.

[whiteymet]

My submission received 12/6/21. Shipped 1/6/22

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

adverb
only for a while or for the time being; not permanently.

Well we won't know until the end of time that it had not taken down temporarily but permanently.

Begs the question why a lawyer would have them remove their guarantee after all of these years. I mean the G in SGC does stand for guarantee, after all. Nice to see that accountability is removed at the top. Yet I read on here how collectors repeatedly expect auction houses to pick up altered cards in slabs.

What a seriously silly hobby this has become.

While BODA was mostly focusing on PSA they were exposing some high power SGC cards as well, and obviously SGC decided they didn't want to deal with the potential claims and just hacked out the "G." It was like that great 50s doo-wop song, "Who took the G out of SGC?" Like most everything else, nobody cared, just keep the train rolling.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

While BODA was mostly focusing on PSA they were exposing some high power SGC cards as well, and obviously SGC decided they didn't want to deal with the potential claims and just hacked out the "G." It was like that great 50s doo-wop song, "Who took the G out of SGC?" Like most everything else, nobody cared, just keep the train rolling.

Well good for them being able to pull that off. Not shocking that collectors did not care. Just need $30 or less grading per card with fast turnarounds. Take that away and boy will the collectors be upset. Hell to pay.

[Frank A]

I will never figure why collectors will spend STUPID money on common cards, just to put it on a set registry. Who cares?

[prestigecollectibles]

[QUOTE=Lorewalker;2183550]New video today on their site...https://www.gosgc.com/update-20210909

This "new" video was posted September 8, 2021
Their website currently states that they are taking 45-50 estimated business days.

[vthobby]

[QUOTE=prestigecollectibles;2183757]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

New video today on their site...https://www.gosgc.com/update-20210909

This "new" video was posted September 8, 2021
Their website currently states that they are taking 45-50 estimated business days.

My last few submissions even over the holiday have taken about 1 month.

Large orders, small orders. They are clearly the only game in town right now if you want your cards back before your kids graduate from sollege.

30 days!

Business days? lol

30 days period!

Mike

[cgjackson222]

If I could have SGC change two things in 2022 it would be:

1) List the individual grades for surface, centering, corners and edging. They don't have to necessarily list it on the card itself (maybe the back of the card would work so the front can be less "busy") but I would really like to see this information somewhere, if just on the website itself when you enter the Auth Code #.

This would help in two ways:
a) provide some clarity and accountability for them so it doesn't seem like they are just coming up with a # out of thin air; and
b) when considering to buy an SGC slabbed card you could make a more informed decision. For instance, I am way more interested in the surface of a card, than in its edges, and would be able to seek out cards with high surface grades.

2) I wish they would return the card savers you sent with the original cards. I hate having to replace Card Savers, especially the big ones, like Card Saver 4.

Other than that, I have been pretty happy with SGC other than them grading a bit harshly on occasion

[cammb]

My order was received 12/12/21. Sent back 1/13/22. Pretty good.

[robw1959]

Originally Posted by sportscardpete

I bet they form a partnership with someone. Maybe a marketplace so that you can have your cards graded and directly sent to the marketplace to be sold (and maybe the marketplace helps reduce the price or something??). Makes a ton of sense for SGC. If you are a long-term collector you probably don't care, but this will help SGC's position with the flippers, who are an increasingly large % of the hobby.

The registry just makes too much sense. That, and better pop reports so we can easily see how many of a specific card are graded (gosh, it is so annoying seeing total pop report across the big 3 graders - takes way too much time).

I sure hope they don't do this. It might make sense, but it's such a potential conflict of interest that would undermine their integrity.

[parkplace33]

Any update from SGC? We are more than halfway through January and I haven't seen any news.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Any update from SGC? We are more than halfway through January and I haven't seen any news.

Monday

[Zan]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Monday

What do you know?

[chriskim]

They will start grading unopened materials!

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Zan

What do you know?

Historical precedence and deadpan humor, probably.

"Monday" is a running joke in SGC circles.