Where are you Jason May...

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

In the end, I think making the deal right is what's right. It will be hard given the words exchanged, but I think taking responsibility is the right thing to do.

I think that this noble principle is at tension with the context, particularly the timing. This isn't the GAP taking a return from a customer years after selling a pair of pants without asking questions. This is two collectors making arms length trades, sales and purchases, with a lot of time passing. If the "right thing to do" for the seller is to issue a refund, the "right thing to do" for the buyer is not to ask for one in this case.

[Jewish-collector]

This thread is actually interesting to read thru. I don't know why. Maybe because, sometimes you just gotta say WTF.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

What many people seem to be missing is that what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. No matter the time limit. I have bought and sold autographs along with other memorabilia for over 30 years and have never left someone hanging if an issue like this pops up. These issues come up and as a seller, you are representing something as authentic when it is sold. Even if I don't agree with what PSA or JSA say, I would still refund their money or make it right.

On a side note, and hopefully I am not speaking out of turn, at this same show Brent attended I was speaking with a friend and colleague in the autograph business. He informed me that he recently had an item fail authentication that was sold by Jim Stinson many many years ago, but still had the invoice that he kept with all of his personal collection. He contacted Jim and without hesitation, Jim issued him a full refund, fully explained the situation that led to how he picked up the item, and took responsibility for the situation. A highly commendable move on his part that I thought was worth sharing.

In the end, I think making the deal right is what's right. It will be hard given the words exchanged, but I think taking responsibility is the right thing to do.

That right there is how it should be.

The stamp and coin guy I've gone to since the mid 80's took back a coin that failed grading as "altered" I saw it, and yes, it was altered.
The whole thing was done very easily, both of them recalled the sale but not the actual price. Buyer thought it had been "about X" and the dealer thought that sounded about right. Return, refund, coin labeled fake and kept in a special spot.
Oh yeah, the time between sale and return 10 years+

There's a reason I still go there after 30 years.

Steve B

[Cobra Kai]

Brent, have you heard anything else from Jason?

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Cobra Kai

Brent, have you heard anything else from Jason?

I have not.

[Leon]

I have given a return and refund on a Dizzy Dean card after 2 yrs because the guy said he thought it was someone else on the card. . I take it on a case by case basis but usually will give a refund.

[autograf]

Tough situation. Like most here, I think the time to return should be something less than 2-3 years. If most all your cards were graded or with letters, I can't understand why these cards would sit in your collection for years before you decide to authenticate them. For those kind of dollars, I would want as immediate confirmation as possible. Not sure there's a good solution. Maybe splitting the cost down the middle. Then you'll still have two pissed off people.

And I really don't like that Simmons........the Fabers look pretty good though. There's the rub with buying raw autographs. They might all be fake, but with a letter or encapsulated, most people aren't gonna question them at that point.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Leon

I have given a return and refund on a Dizzy Dean card after 2 yrs because the guy said he thought it was someone else on the card. . I take it on a case by case basis but usually will give a refund.

Whom did he think it was on the card?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Sean

Whom did he think it was on the card?

Actually, now that I recall, I believe it was Paul instead of Dizzy. But to take that long to figure out who it was, well, I just said ok because of the situation. It was someone I know and don't have a great rapport with. It was easier and better just to take it back.

it was like this card but not this one.. I guess he bought it thinking it was Dizzy...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1934-Gold-Me...MAAOxyR7tTkRhB


ps.... back to the subject at hand....I don't know autographs so will bow out of it....
.

[clydepepper]

Here's the Dizzy card from the same set:

1934 Gold Medal Flour DIZZY DEAN PSA-5.5.jpg

[JEFFV96MASTERS]

Pardon me for using common sense but why is the questionable stuff still being discussed in 2017 ?? Shouldn't this have been handled by sending it out to be looked at by the experts years ago ( back in 2014 from those texts) and a decision rendered back then ? And a compromise worked out back then


Jeff

p.s. Stop using JSA please- its not a "reliable" resource for vintage autos

p.s.s . Steve B-- Mike and Pete can I ask ??

[Jersey City Giants]

No card or money is worth your reputation period.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by JEFFV96MASTERS

p.s.s . Steve B-- Mike and Pete can I ask ??

Of course you can ask.

I don't quite get the question though?
The stamp and coin guy I go to is Mark Processi who owns Alan stamp and coin in Woodbury, CT
The customer was some random guy I didn't know.

I got to see a lot of stuff since I hung out at the shop for hours at a time. Maybe 3-4 hours some days, at least a couple days a week. After a while he'd give me store credit for doing some work. Sorting stuff, stapling coins into the 2x2 holders, pricing stamps. that sort of stuff.

Steve B

[Grammont]

My wife is laying next to me reading a book, im on my phone reading this thread. No doubt this has been a lot more interesting than "Sunrise Crossing"
Hope it works out for all involved.


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[HOF Auto Rookies]

Just an update. Still no communications from Jason at all about trying to work something out.

[slidekellyslide]

Maybe he didn't budget for someone coming back 3 years later for a refund?

[Gradedcardman]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Maybe he didn't budget for someone coming back 3 years later for a refund?

Who does ?

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Maybe he didn't budget for someone coming back 3 years later for a refund?

Maybe, maybe not. I can't speak on his behalf. But, maybe he should because of all of the bad autographs he has sold and tried to sell over the years.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Lol.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

Who does ?

I am sorry. That is not the correct answer. We were looking or "Who is nobody?".

Ridiculous time frames for a thousand Alex.

[Gradedcardman]

Originally Posted by phillipabbott79

i am sorry. That is not the correct answer. We were looking or "who is nobody?".

Ridiculous time frames for a thousand alex.

lol

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

Sometimes there are extenuating circumstances that a seller should accommodate. Waiting 1, 2 3 or more years to send it away then asking for a refund is not one of the. Waiting and proving the time frame is out of your hands due to mailing or other factors is much more understandable.

I agree unless there was fraud involved which doesnt sound like the case here.

However even if it is unreasonable to ask for a refund for a 10 year transaction for example and just because you dont like the color anymore, IF the seller says he will refund it or make a trade of certain trade value, he is now on the hook if he does not come through. All the seller had to say was, 'its been 2 years buddy' no refunds.

Plus this nonsense:

"If the email had been less demanding I probably would have offered a refund, but I don't respond well to discourteousness"

And then there is a later email saying that was probably not the truth by the seller. So now there are two issues the buy can rely on as to why he should get a refund even it is a ridiculous amount of time.

Basically any party can agree to something more than is in a contract if they want but they dont have to in the first place. They shouldnt of offered it up.

Your rent is due in 30 days, but you get an email from the landlord saying he will agree to another 70 days to pay. Well, now you got 70 days. Need to be careful what you say actually, though we do live in an age of alternative facts. Hope you enjoy my net54 grammar.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I agree unless there was fraud involved which doesnt sound like the case here.

However even if it is unreasonable to ask for a refund for a 10 year transaction for example and just because you dont like the color anymore, IF the seller says he will refund it or make a trade of certain trade value, he is now on the hook if he does not come through. All the seller had to say was, 'its been 2 years buddy' no refunds.

Plus this nonsense:

"If the email had been less demanding I probably would have offered a refund, but I don't respond well to discourteousness"

And then there is a later email saying that was probably not the truth by the seller. So now there are two issues the buy can rely on as to why he should get a refund even it is a ridiculous amount of time.

Basically any party can agree to something more than is in a contract if they want but they dont have to in the first place. They shouldnt of offered it up.

Your rent is due in 30 days, but you get an email from the landlord saying he will agree to another 70 days to pay. Well, now you got 70 days. Need to be careful what you say actually, though we do live in an age of alternative facts. Hope you enjoy my net54 grammar.

Yeah, it has certainly been interesting to say the least.

I totally believe he knew exactly what he was doing selling me these cards and passing on the bad ones to others.

On my end, I typically don't send out cards to get graded. But, I've certainly will be sending them out after I receive them to avoid and potential issues. I admit I certainly could have been better in those regards.

But I whole heartedly am willing to bet this was all part of his plan. Trying to sell the Simmons a year prior for $2,500 then offers $1,250 (because he knows it's bad). Or his "Hornsby". That's a $5k+ card that he tried selling for around $1,500. The list goes on and on.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I may have missed this, but on cards purchased in Dec. 2014, why wait until 2017 to submit them for authentication?

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I may have missed this, but on cards purchased in Dec. 2014, why wait until 2017 to submit them for authentication?

Had no real dire need to send them in. I don't really like to mail out that many expensive cards and would rather do IP services. But after this, I'm certainly going to send stuff in right away to hopefully avoid any potential issues down the road.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I may have missed this, but on cards purchased in Dec. 2014, why wait until 2017 to submit them for authentication?

Yes thats bad. However the guy said he would refund him or something like that.

You can owe a debt and the statute of limitations passes and then make another agreement to pay. The clock starts again. So the first clock started 3 years ago but the second clock started only for a week or so when the guy found out the seller wasnt going to come through

Shouldnt keep starting up clock