"Lucky 7" find - Cobb with Cobb back

[irv]

Originally Posted by jl9999

Kinda bummed these are being sold privately. I would've enjoyed watching those auctions.

X2. Would have been interesting to say the least!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by jl9999

Kinda bummed these are being sold privately. I would've enjoyed watching those auctions.

I'm guessing that a couple of them will come to market in the next few years.

[Iron Horse]

Amazing find, amazing cards. Now if i just had $$$$
This find along with the "Black Swamp" find are what dreams are made of for the collector in us.
Would have loved to hold one before they got slabbed

[Steve D]

Every time I see the description of this "find", I crack up at the comment that the cards were found in "Great Grandpa's old bag", and think, You really shouldn't talk about Great Grandma like that!


Steve

[Jdoggs]

The lucky 7 find is amazing! The PSA 4.5 and 3.5 Cobb's will surely sell for a huge amount.

[MVSNYC]

Are we sure they're ALL selling privately?

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by Steve D

Every time I see the description of this "find", I crack up at the comment that the cards were found in "Great Grandpa's old bag", and think, You really shouldn't talk about Great Grandma like that!


Steve

I wonder what Grandpa's Bag would fetch at Auction?

Can't hurt ta try...

[Marckus99]

Along with the Black Swamp forgery,
Great laser printers nowadays.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Marckus99

Along with the Black Swamp forgery,
Great laser printers nowadays.

Are you saying the Black Swamp Find and the seven Ty Cobb cards are fakes?

[CMIZ5290]

I don't know that every one understands the magnitude of this find. I have said in the past that I thought Cobb backs were as scarce as Wagner's. Can you imagine coming across 7 Wagners? When I first heard about this, I was extremely skeptical. Now, it appears to be the real deal. I don't think it's going to lower the value of these cards. I will add this though, are all 7 cards very comparable in centering and size? They appeared to be from PSA's post....

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Are we sure they're ALL selling privately?

The same seller has all 7, or 5 now, and is selling them privately.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

The same seller has all 7, or 5 now, and is selling them privately.

Trying to anyhow.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Trying to anyhow.

Yes true, whether or not they all do sell privately has yet to be determined. I'd like to see one or two end up in an auction.

[tiger8mush]

who is the seller?

[Jdoggs]

There are only 22 Cobb's now. There are at most 100 wagners so Cobb is more rare.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

who is the seller?

Rick Snyder of mint state

[rats60]

I would imagine that the sale of two would bring in enough money that the sellers don't need to be in a hurry to sell the other 5. If they sold the 1.5 and a 2.5, they still hold the 2 highest graded Cobbs and 5 of the 7 highest graded. They can afford to sit on them until a buyer meets their price.

[Jobu]

I just posted something similar in the poll thread but wanted to include it here as well. As far as I know, the Ty Cobb with the Cobb back a glossy card (save for one: http://www.t206museum.com/page/cardweek_5.html).

It might be that Ted is arguing the the standard, no-gloss portrait is in the 524 and the glossy portrait is #525 because of the gloss and not because of the back.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Marckus99

Along with the Black Swamp forgery,

Great laser printers nowadays.

I'm guessing you saw Bigfoot in your backyard the night you were abducted by aliens.

[Thromdog]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I don't know that every one understands the magnitude of this find. I have said in the past that I thought Cobb backs were as scarce as Wagner's. Can you imagine coming across 7 Wagners? When I first heard about this, I was extremely skeptical. Now, it appears to be the real deal. I don't think it's going to lower the value of these cards. I will add this though, are all 7 cards very comparable in centering and size? They appeared to be from PSA's post....

Scarcity in my mind is relative to the possibility.

First, I believe this is a massive find. But if there is a card that this could happen, the Ty Cobb back is one that makes the most sense.

Since it would be the only card added to the tin, Uncle Joe going to town on Ty Cobb Tobacco would have pulled out one of these with each tin bought.

Can't say that about a Wagner. He would be competing with hundreds of other players with every pull from a cig pack.

[Thromdog]

Also, kinda funny thought.

Uncle Joe buying Ty Cobb tin tobacco every week. He gets to the 8th, 9th, 10th, etc card and he's thinking......

"....I don't need this, I already have like 6 or 7 of these"

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

I'm guessing you saw Bigfoot in your backyard the night you were abducted by aliens.

You too?

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[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Thromdog

Also, kinda funny thought.

Uncle Joe buying Ty Cobb tin tobacco every week. He gets to the 8th, 9th, 10th, etc card and he's thinking......

"....I don't need this, I already have like 6 or 7 of these"

funny!

[insidethewrapper]

I don't believe any of the Ty Cobb tobacco Tin Ads state that a card is inserted in them. It appears that these sold well according to the articles. First, if these were placed in the tins , there would have to be a lot of them issued. Not only 20 or so. Secondly, if they were randomly inserted, how could only 1 or 2 people get most of them ? Doesn't make any sense to me .

My theory is I believe they may have been given away at a banquet or were given out at the Ty Cobb Auto business ( which he was very involved with in Augusta ) during the Spring of 1910. See attached from the book "War of the Basepaths ". The recent find stated that their grandfather traveled in Georgia.

Why are some glossed and some are not I don't have any idea ? Does either one have tobacco stains ?

[brass_rat]

I was looking through copies of Lew Lipset's The Old Judge newsletter, and here's an entry from August 1987 where Lew gets his own Cobb-Cobb.

(I edited the image to include the newsletter's heading with the relevant paragraph/picture.)

Cheers,
Steve

[yoyot1]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

I don't believe any of the Ty Cobb tobacco Tin Ads state that a card is inserted in them. It appears that these sold well according to the articles. First, if these were placed in the tins , there would have to be a lot of them issued. Not only 20 or so. Secondly, if they were randomly inserted, how could only 1 or 2 people get most of them ? Doesn't make any sense to me .

My theory is I believe they may have been given away at a banquet or were given out at the Ty Cobb Auto business ( which he was very involved with in Augusta ) during the Spring of 1910. See attached from the book "War of the Basepaths ". The recent find stated that their grandfather traveled in Georgia.

Why are some glossed and some are not I don't have any idea ? Does either one have tobacco stains ?

The inclusion in the tins is definitely arguable. But the only reason the cards would (or should) have Factory 33 listed is if they were included in some type of Tobacco package. A giveaway (especially one not related to the FR Penn company) doesn't make much sense.

FR Penn did have a presence in Atlanta, one of the sons lived there and ran distribution for that region. Another son was located in San Francisco - I'm still waiting for the big Ty Cobb find from the Bay area

[Jdoggs]

Although the population of cobbs increased by 7, all the publicity of the cards will make the demand very high for these cards.

[mechanicalman]

It appears the PR might even be driving the price of regular Cobbs. Some strong prices on red Cobbs with PWCC last night.

[Gradedcardman]

Originally Posted by t206hound

If you are counting "cards", then you are missing about 6000. See page 67 of Inside T206 which accounts for:
524 subjects
35 backs
6845 theoretical combinations (cards)

http://www.oldcardboard.com/t/t206/i...al-edition.pdf


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+1

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

+1

Hi Adam

Empirically speaking, David Hall's master T206 set is about 95% complete at approx. 5000 - T206's.

This number translates to the final front/back permutation count of 5200 - 5300 T206's.


TED Z
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[CTDean]

One more sold. Now there are four left.

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by CTDean

One more sold. Now there are four left.

Which grade Cobb sold?

[RaidonCollects]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

Which grade Cobb sold?

A 2.5. I think 2 2.5's have sold plus one 1.5.

-Owen

[CTDean]

That's correct. The 1.5 and two 2.5's have sold. The four left are two 2.5's, a 3.5, and the 4.5.

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I don't know that every one understands the magnitude of this find. I have said in the past that I thought Cobb backs were as scarce as Wagner's. Can you imagine coming across 7 Wagners? When I first heard about this, I was extremely skeptical. Now, it appears to be the real deal. I don't think it's going to lower the value of these cards. I will add this though, are all 7 cards very comparable in centering and size? They appeared to be from PSA's post....

I agree. Can you imagine something like this, "Oh, I just found these up in the attic in an old cigar box. I was going to throw them out since a lot of them are damaged and they are all the same player, but I thought I should check if they're worth something."

[Joshwesley]

WOW...

Is that all the known Wagners?

[Jobu]

Pics from the Wagner gallery:

http://t206resource.com/Galleries.html

Originally Posted by Joshwesley

WOW...

Is that all the known Wagners?

[Joshwesley]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Pics from the Wagner gallery:

http://t206resource.com/Galleries.html

thanks JOBU

[Bruinsfan94]

Without getting too far off topic, any information about how much the super low grade Wagners have gone for? Figure that would be interesting.

[Sean]

The last Wagner PSA 1 sold for $400,000.

I've heard that a PSA authentic was offered for sale for $300,000. I don't know if it sold.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

It appears the PR might even be driving the price of regular Cobbs. Some strong prices on red Cobbs with PWCC last night.

Goodwin too. Over 6k for an SGC 4 green cobb already.

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by CTDean

That's correct. The 1.5 and two 2.5's have sold. The four left are two 2.5's, a 3.5, and the 4.5.

The remaining cobbs must be in huge demand.

[Bliggity]

Looks like the first 3 sold for more than $1 million total.

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...rd-card-sells/

"Of the seven cards in the “Lucky 7” find of T206 Ty Cobb backs announced last week, four remain.

The cards, discovered last month while family members were cleaning up the contents of an old house in the southeastern part of the country, became a national story. Sent to PSA for grading and authentication, they were assigned grades ranging from 1.5 to 4.5 with four of the cards rated 2.5 (G-VG).

Two sold almost immediately and PSA tweeted another sale of a 2.5 on Wednesday. PSA President Joe Orlando says the three cards brought more than $1 million combined.

While we don’t know the prices for the remaining cards, PSA has updated the value of Cobb backs in its price guide.

In its recently published March edition of the Sports Market Report, the value of a PSA 2 Cobb with Cobb back was $195,000. It’s now listed in the company’s online report at $225,000. A 2.5 is given a value of $315,000, a PSA 3 jumped from $250,000 to $375,000 with a 3.5 now at $500,000 and a 4.5 pegged at $750,000.

Those figures would put the value of the find at $2.68 million, although it’s likely the selling prices may be slightly greater than the values placed in the guide."

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Bliggity

Looks like the first 3 sold for more than $1 million total.

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com...rd-card-sells/

"Of the seven cards in the “Lucky 7” find of T206 Ty Cobb backs announced last week, four remain.

The cards, discovered last month while family members were cleaning up the contents of an old house in the southeastern part of the country, became a national story. Sent to PSA for grading and authentication, they were assigned grades ranging from 1.5 to 4.5 with four of the cards rated 2.5 (G-VG).

Two sold almost immediately and PSA tweeted another sale of a 2.5 on Wednesday. PSA President Joe Orlando says the three cards brought more than $1 million combined.

While we don’t know the prices for the remaining cards, PSA has updated the value of Cobb backs in its price guide.

In its recently published March edition of the Sports Market Report, the value of a PSA 2 Cobb with Cobb back was $195,000. It’s now listed in the company’s online report at $225,000. A 2.5 is given a value of $315,000, a PSA 3 jumped from $250,000 to $375,000 with a 3.5 now at $500,000 and a 4.5 pegged at $750,000.

Those figures would put the value of the find at $2.68 million, although it’s likely the selling prices may be slightly greater than the values placed in the guide."

WOW! I'll admit I was way off in valuing these cards...Amazing!!!!

[1952boyntoncollector]

the 'cheaper' ones always sell first...

however the fact the cards got bought in a pocket listing as it were versus a MLS listing means to me that there is still more added value again for these waterside property cards..

we are sure to see some of these cards that were bought to be listed with Heritage etc and get a bigger price as everyone will get a chance to get off the sidelines and bid.. ....the issue will be if the same card bought at auction is then listed again, will it go for higher.... but for the first public auction its pretty safe to say the buyers will make a nice profit..

funny how POP goes up and value goes up...

[pokerplyr80]

If those three sold for over a mil that's basically half the price of the equivalent graded t206 Wagners. So what would you guys rather have? 2 Cobb backs or 1 Wagner of the same grade?

[Joshwesley]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

If those three sold for over a mil that's basically half the price of the equivalent graded t206 Wagners. So what would you guys rather have? 2 Cobb backs or 1 Wagner of the same grade?

Give me 1 Wagner for sure!

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

If those three sold for over a mil that's basically half the price of the equivalent graded t206 Wagners. So what would you guys rather have? 2 Cobb backs or 1 Wagner of the same grade?

2 Cobb backs...one to sell, and add whatever I want, and one to keep.

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

2 Cobb backs...one to sell, and add whatever I want, and one to keep.

As a convicted burglar once told me, "Rich people have two of everything. One for them, and one for me."

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

2 Cobb backs...one to sell, and add whatever I want, and one to keep.

Can't go wrong either way, but this is the answer I thought to myself as I wrote the question.