Enough with the hostility... - Page 2

ethicsprof · #51 03-04-2013, 04:45 PM

many thanks for the high praise!!!
Coming from you it is most cherished.
Let's go for the position jointly---and accept only if done immediately by acclamation.
all the best to you my friend,
barry

HRBAKER · #52 03-04-2013, 04:56 PM

After a lengthy consultation with my thesaurus, I agree with Barry.
Well said.

thehoodedcoder · #53 03-04-2013, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

As most have mentioned, it is great to have this point as part of the everyday discussion. Although I have not had the back and forth on the boards for everyone to see, I do have a similar situation to what Dan has had with an ebay listing. Simply put, the card is listed at a price that I feel leaves room for negotiating. I get an offer (from a board member) and then counter. The guy comes back and tells me essentially what a crappy card it is, that its not graded, that its only missing one color and on and on. Listen, if I make a counter and you don't like it then reject the offer. Don't start lowering your offer to be a jerk. Anyway, I am not going to open that can of worms here because its not that important.

Anyway, again thanks to Wazoo for this thread !!

Maybe they just realized, that their original offer was more than they were really willing to pay for it and they had made a mistake.

Alternatively, I can see how it hurts when people find out a card they covet is not worth what they are asking for it and most likely have to take a loss on it.

Kevin

Runscott · #54 03-04-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by carrigansghost

Scott posting on a thread about getting along? I can't wait for my collection to be sold. I found this board to be a great way to waste free time until the new batch came around. Richard, I'm sorry I took your comments wrong. I do have a narrow frame of collecting and got crap from a lot of MEMBERS. Either appeciate other's collections or get the hell out. I left for 4 months just to see if anything would change, yup, it got worse.

I was wrong. One of them is reading this thread.

And yes, it is now worse.

ethicsprof · #55 03-04-2013, 06:47 PM

many,many thanks to you and your thesaurus!!!
all the best, ole buddy
barry

carrigansghost · #56 03-04-2013, 06:47 PM

Scott, please take this in the manner that it is presented, do not read anything more into it. This written in all honesty. F*** off, Punk.

wazoo · #57 03-04-2013, 06:48 PM

Oh goodness, here we go again. This is the unnecessary garbage I'm talking about. Keep it to yourself guys.

Leon · #58 03-04-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wazoo

Oh goodness, here we go again. This is the unnecessary garbage I'm talking about. Keep it to yourself guys.

That was a shot from the rear gunner but he just got taken out.

Matthew H · #59 03-04-2013, 07:01 PM

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Matthew H · #60 03-04-2013, 07:03 PM

While it's being discussed, I'd like to add that the passive-agressive hostility is just as damaging as what just transpired above.

Hank, Jim - Insinuating that we are cowards hiding behind keyboards or that one out of twenty of us is a sociopath is just uncool.

hangman62 · #61 03-04-2013, 07:12 PM

Come on ..keep spicing it up..its much more entertaining when things get chippy. Nobody wants to read about hand holding and singing Koombayaa ( sic)

Leon · #62 03-04-2013, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hangman62

Come on ..keep spicing it up..its much more entertaining when things get chippy. Nobody wants to read about hand holding and singing Koombayaa ( sic)

I would just as soon not go down that road

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Peter_Spaeth · #63 03-04-2013, 07:16 PM

Maybe Leon can set up a PG rated section?

Peter_Spaeth · #64 03-04-2013, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew H

While it's being discussed, I'd like to add that the passive-agressive hostility is just as damaging as what just transpired above.

Hank, Jim - Insinuating that we are cowards hiding behind keyboards or that one out of twenty of us is a sociopath is just uncool.

ONLY one out of twenty? LOL must be higher than that no?

Hankphenom · #65 03-04-2013, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew H

While it's being discussed, I'd like to add that the passive-agressive hostility is just as damaging as what just transpired above.

Hank, Jim - Insinuating that we are cowards hiding behind keyboards or that one out of twenty of us is a sociopath is just uncool.

Don't take it personally.

Runscott · #66 03-04-2013, 09:15 PM

I've never seen one of these 'Everybody be nice like me' threads turn out well - not on any internet forum. Not when it's a nice guy doing it, and not when it's a not-so-nice guy doing it.

The forum dynamics get established over time, they ebb and they flow, but the changes either occur naturally over time, or a moderator steps in and imposes some new rules because things have gotten out of hand.

I'm missing where things have gotten 'hostile'. Even over on the autograph side, things don't seem too bad. It's the internet - if it's not working for you, go out in real life more.

Leon · #67 03-04-2013, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

It's the internet - if it's not working for you, go out in real life more.

I like that.

Eric72 · #68 03-04-2013, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wazoo

I want to get back to learning more about t206s and other sets

Waz,

I couldn't agree more...both with the spirit of your original post and specifically with this portion of it. Sorry for being so late to your thread.

Collectively, this board has a vast amount of knowledge about the hobby, perhaps second to none. When this information is shared freely, for the betterment of all involved, the results are tremendous. When things get sidetracked...probably not so much

Hope your week is off to a great start.

Best Regards,

Eric

zljones · #69 03-05-2013, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by matthew h

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rofl!!!!

Matthew H · #70 03-05-2013, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Don't take it personally.

Touché.

Rickyy · #71 03-05-2013, 01:18 AM

I usually glance and drive past the hostility and on towards card pictures and information... it allows me to come here relaxed and leave the same way!

Ricky Y

teetwoohsix · #72 03-05-2013, 01:31 AM

The one thing I try to take into account is that everyone is different- there is no way everything will always be smooth sailing. And I agree that many people who might not like a person because of what they write on the internet might have a totally different opinion of that same person if they were to meet at a show or wherever.

And with that being said, I think that's where there's sort of a "good ol' boys" group on Net54 who have a hard time adapting to people they haven't had the pleasure of meeting in person. I have made quite a few friends on the board, but have not met anyone in person. I hope I can make it to the California show and put some faces to some names and create some more friendships. If not, all is well.

There also seems to be a problem with some older collectors accepting new information that differs with information that they have been presenting as fact; the old "it's my way or the highway" type of attitude. They refuse to accept information no matter how sensible and well researched it is, because it's different than what they have believed or posted for so long. Sometimes this creates an air of hostility, in my opinion, and naturally creates some type of divide. If there was a chance at being open minded to collective research, an old dog may actually be able to learn new tricks

Matt- the Ice Cube post had me rolling

Sincerely, Clayton

rainier2004 · #73 03-05-2013, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

It's the internet - if it's not working for you, go out in real life more.

I like that as well...

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards · #74 03-05-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rainier2004

I like that as well...

+1

Runscott · #75 03-05-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

And with that being said, I think that's where there's sort of a "good ol' boys" group on Net54 who have a hard time adapting to people they haven't had the pleasure of meeting in person. I have made quite a few friends on the board, but have not met anyone in person. I hope I can make it to the California show and put some faces to some names and create some more friendships. If not, all is well.

There also seems to be a problem with some older collectors accepting new information that differs with information that they have been presenting as fact; the old "it's my way or the highway" type of attitude. They refuse to accept information no matter how sensible and well researched it is, because it's different than what they have believed or posted for so long. Sometimes this creates an air of hostility, in my opinion, and naturally creates some type of divide. If there was a chance at being open minded to collective research, an old dog may actually be able to learn new tricks

Matt- the Ice Cube post had me rolling

Sincerely, Clayton

Clayton, I have sensed the above attitude from newer collectors, so it's good that you have finally aired it out. In any hobby there are people who were around before the new guys. Those people share experiences and stories, and understandably, enjoy doing so. Young guys should not think of this as non-acceptance. Someday you'll be in the same situation.

Regarding hostilities, I think you are only looking at it from one side. If a collector has been around for a very long time, doing a lot of research, and a newer collector pops in and presents contradictory theories as fact, there is going to be a hostile reaction. Sometimes it's not what you say - it's how you say it.

Regarding the

teetwoohsix · #76 03-05-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Clayton, I have sensed the above attitude from newer collectors, so it's good that you have finally aired it out. In any hobby there are people who were around before the new guys. Those people share experiences and stories, and understandably, enjoy doing so. Young guys should not think of this as non-acceptance. Someday you'll be in the same situation.

Regarding hostilities, I think you are only looking at it from one side. If a collector has been around for a very long time, doing a lot of research, and a newer collector pops in and presents contradictory theories as fact, there is going to be a hostile reaction. Sometimes it's not what you say - it's how you say it.

Regarding the

Point well taken Scott. I'm in the newer collector catagory, and I do understand the comaraderie (sp?) that the veteran collectors have with each other. I love the saying "it is what it is"

because that's what it is

The second paragraph~ I do understand what you are saying, just don't know if I agree. I've seen contradictory theories presented as theories that make more sense, and the reader is always open to judge for themselves- at least that's how these things have always came across to me. I've never read them presented as fact only, and the people presenting the theories (and sometime's evidence) are always open to a rational discussion.

I do agree with "sometime's it's not what you say, but how you say it". I think I myself have this problem, and as hard as I try to word things right, sometimes it doesn't come out right on a monitor

Anyway, the board will roll on and there will always be some great threads going. We can all have a good time & check out some cards !!!

Sincerely, Clayton

drc · #77 03-05-2013, 11:42 AM

Personally, I'm torn. I don't know if everyone in this thread pretty much sucks or totally sucks. My dog has more insightful thoughts on baseball cards than this crowd. And he's been dead for six years.

P.s. Your religion is silly and your political views are childlike.

P.s.s. It's called grammar. Try it some time.

teetwoohsix · #78 03-05-2013, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by drc

Personally, I'm torn. I don't know if everyone in this thread pretty much sucks or totally sucks. My dog has more insightful thoughts on baseball cards than this crowd. And he's been dead for six years.

P.s. Your religion is silly and your political views are childlike.

Now THAT'S punk rock !!!!

Sincerely, Clayton

drc · #79 03-05-2013, 11:59 AM

Oh wait, sorry. I misread the thread title.

Runscott · #80 03-05-2013, 12:03 PM

Can't we all just get a log?

World's greatest thing to have

drc · #81 03-05-2013, 12:10 PM

I can understand why everyone here would be jealous of me, but not hostile.

chaddurbin · #82 03-05-2013, 12:12 PM

why is everyone putting down the autograph side? at least the beefs are well-defined and at the end of the day you know where you stand over there.

used to be only lichtman and rob d were the snarky ones. now that they post less there's a bunch of people trying out for those spots, unfortunately they're not as smart, funny, or knowledgeable.

Runscott · #83 03-05-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chaddurbin

why is everyone putting down the autograph side? at least the beefs are well-defined and at the end of the day you know where you stand over there.

used to be only lichtman and rob d were the snarky ones. now that they post less there's a bunch of people trying out for those spots, unfortunately they're not as smart, funny, or knowledgeable.

It's true, but you certainly gave it a good effort

wazoo · #84 03-05-2013, 04:34 PM

Hey everyone, thanks once again for the responses. For those who agree with me, it means a lot. For those who don't feel anything is up, that's all good too. All I can see is that it's based on perspective. Hope to hear more from you guys. Best regards.

4815162342 · #85 03-05-2013, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chaddurbin

... used to be only lichtman and rob d were the snarky ones. now that they post less there's a bunch of people trying out for those spots, unfortunately they're not as smart, funny, or knowledgeable.

+1

HRBAKER · #86 03-05-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by wazoo

Hey everyone, thanks once again for the responses. For those who agree with me, it means a lot. For those who don't feel anything is up, that's all good too. All I can see is that it's based on perspective. Hope to hear more from you guys. Best regards.

Certainly it's based on perspective. It would be pretty boring if everyone saw everything the same way. The board is a mosh pit of all kinds of folks from all different walks of life. As has been mentioned a few times, these flameups are not new, the board has an ebb and flow and it happens from time to time.

Peter_Spaeth · #87 03-05-2013, 06:07 PM

Ignore the posts you don't like and read the ones you do, how hard is that?

Peter_Spaeth · #88 03-05-2013, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chaddurbin

why is everyone putting down the autograph side? at least the beefs are well-defined and at the end of the day you know where you stand over there.

used to be only lichtman and rob d were the snarky ones. now that they post less there's a bunch of people trying out for those spots, unfortunately they're not as smart, funny, or knowledgeable.

If Lichtman showed any evidence of any of those qualities I musta missed it.
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