T209 question

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Posted By: Pete Z.

First, how is "contentnea" pronounced? Four syllables "con-tent'-nee-ah'", or three "con-tent'-nyah'"? Second, the Standard Catalog lists cards in the 1st series for more than the ones in the 2nd. Does this differential reflect rarity or demand (or both) of the 1st over the 2nd?

Thanks in advance,
Pete

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Posted By: Ray Piskadlo

I always put the emphasis on the TENT.

Strange timing for this question, considering a really rare T209 just ended on eBay about 3 minutes ago.

BTW, Whoever won that, congrats! Looked like a printer's scrap with a blue wet transfer from Pope on the back! My $208 bid wound up being a joke.

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Posted By: leon

Darn type-card-collector......

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Posted By: John

Great pick up whoever that type-card-collector is????

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Posted By: robert a

Mr. Leon,

I should've upped my ante.
Nice pickup.

Rob

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Posted By: scott brockelman

That is a print run of the blue printed on the back. While this one appears to be handcut, I have another player with a like blue print run on the back which appears to be a normal cut and issued card.

Scott

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Posted By: leon

thanks and thanks for the info Scott.....I don't have too many of these freaks but have always thought they were obscure and cool....for anyone else to see the back here ya go.....and btw, Mike Berkus has auctioned some great stuff on ebay.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/1910-T-209-Cententnea-McGeehan-1st-Series_W0QQitemZ280088084796QQihZ018QQcategoryZ868 41QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280088084796#ebayp hotohosting

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Posted By: barrysloate

That is a cool looking card!

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Nice pickup Dude!!!

How did I miss this card??? I have been way too busy lately...


Here's one that probably came from the same sheet...

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Posted By: leon

To answer your question I personally think the price of the 1st series is due both to scarcity and demand.....This card I won I think I paid about $100 over market for....if there is a "market price" for this kind of stuff....

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Posted By: Zach Rice

I've always thought the following concerning the rarity of the two sets when compared to each other.

If you are looking for just a single card as a type card to add to your collection, you are more likely to find a type 2 black and white since there are 222 in the set.

If you are looking for a certain player in either set, you are likely to find the first series card before the second series. Besides a handful of players that show up frequently, I think the second series is way undervalued for its rarity.

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Posted By: scott brockelman

It has the same "15" penciled on it and the same horiz crease. It obviously was owned by the same person at one time. But the fact that it has name top and bottom and Leon's is well centered means there could have been a couple of runs like this, perhaps the person who originally got these worked at the place where they were printed.

Scott

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Scott,
Nice eyes.... I didn't see the 15 on Leon's card, but you are right, it's the same on both.

Hi Pete,
Contentnea is the name of a creek here in NC that flows through the cities of Wilson and Snow Hill. It was named by the Indians in the region.

Here's the front:

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Posted By: robert a

Brian,

Have you ever found t209s locally?

Rob

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Robert,
Yes, I have found 5-6 of the type 2 cards around here in the last 20 years, but never a type 1. Be well Brian

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Posted By: scott brockelman

Well I got my T209's out and discovered low and behold mine has a penciled number as well "25" obviously these were some old timers pricing on these. As I stated earlier I thought this was a machine cut one, but now it does not appear so. However, I have quite a few regular ones which don't appear perfectly cut. Could this have been an issue where some were hand cut while others machine cut like the 09 obaks.

Scott

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Posted By: robert a

I think this particular group of cards was deemed not worthy of being machine cut due to the error and was taken home as a keepsake and hand cut later.

Scott. Do you still have that remarkable t209 mystery piece?

Rob

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Scott,
Very cool card.... And I also have quite a few cards that appear hand cut, so you may be onto something. I think I have at least 5-6 that are handcut, but may have a few more. Be well Brian


PS Did you pay 25 cents for yours.....

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Posted By: Ray Piskadlo

Now I know why I can't seem to find any cards from this set anymore. You guys have them all! (Any poor/beaters out there for sale?)

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Posted By: scott brockelman

I did get it off ebay years ago with no back scan for about $35.

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Posted By: Seth B.

Darn sorry I was asleep at the wheel on this one...at least would have made Leon pay a bit more

Scott, what's the front of yours? We can almost figure out where the cards went on the sheet with Brian's Walsh over Crockett. Great stuff, guys, thanks!
I've handled 12 of these cards and all have been machine cut. I also have record, though, of another Hoffman that's handcut selling on ebay in the last year. Another thing that happens on the backs of T209 Is is a factory stamp (I'll scan one of mine later to show). I can't recall any T209 IIs with a similar stamp, can anyone else?

[Edited to remove a really "duh" sort of mistake. These cards get me excited, and there goes my ability to read, apparently.]

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Posted By: scott brockelman

I still have them. Scans attached for the folks who have not seen them.

Scott



These 4 are probably some of the intended color series 2 cards that never came to be.



Obviously we have 2 of the color series 1 and I would say the other 2 were intended for series 2.

Note that all of these are the same line drawings as used in type 1 and not the real photo type of type 2.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Scott- on the second panel you have the same Hoffman that Brian W. displayed, so they were issued. Weren't we all trying to figure out what those strips were a while back? What was the conclusion?

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Scott,
I think you're on the right track. I believe they were mock up's or proofs sent out for approval. They are 2 of the coolest minor league pieces I've ever seen.

Be well Brian

PS Moderator Dude, I bought my Hoffman from the same EBAY seller in October....

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Posted By: scott brockelman

Sorry I did not make myself clear, there are 2 issued series 1 cards on the 2nd strip. Yes we did have an expose last year? on these, again they are about 1 1/2 times normal size on very heavy cardboard stock, much heavier than card stock. At the bottom of one of them is the very top of some block lettering, which unfortunately can't be made out. These do not fit together so there was at least one more panel of players.

They were mailed from NC to NY, someone cut them up and used them as postcards.



Scott

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Posted By: barrysloate

It looks like it was mailed by someone who couldn't spell...is that address supposed to be Syracuse, NY?

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Posted By: scott brockelman

I think they used the old adage, "spell it like it sounds"

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Posted By: Joe Pelaez

You do good work, and you dig very well.
Very good observations and take.
I suspect that you might be into archeology and anthropology.
Thank you for your scans and thoughts on the mystery pieces. ... outstanding.

Brian W.
Thank you for your scan of your interesting card. ... ditto to leon's piece.

Seth B.
I've looked at quite a few T209's since the 1980's and outside of the type 1, I don't recall ever seeing a factory stamp on the back of the type 2, but ... cards are still being found from the type 2, ..... Quien sabe?

An interesting thread.
Joe P.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Joe,
Nice to see you back on the board. When are you going to come down to NC and show me your Doyle???? Aren't you in VA now??? Then you have no excuses, and I'll pay for dinner. Be well Brian

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Posted By: Andrew

Here is a back scan of a T128 Contentnea (same factory number as T209s). It says "pronounced CON-TENT-NA." Most likely this means "con tent nah" and not "con tent nuh," although I have heard it both ways by respected collectors.

Andrew

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Posted By: Joe Pelaez

One of these days I'm going to take that copier, printer, scanner contraption out of it's box.
It's been setting there since I bought it about a year ago.
The writing on the box sez Epson Stylus CX6600, whatever the hell that is.
Brian, you're reading the tappings of an illiterate computer procrastinator, ... Gold medal winner of every Olympics since 1936, (age of five) second to none. ... (procrastinating venue)

Fair warning, I just took the damn thing out of the box, and placed it where the old HP Desk Jet 672C use to set.
Let's not get our hopes up.
I did not disconnect the old HP 672C, and it's settin on two large phone books on the floor.
One must meditate, and contemplate ones next move.

Brian, that dinner in NC is very tempting, but I really must set this contraption up before it becomes totally obsolete.

Hope to meet up with you.
Joe

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Posted By: leon

Since this thread was posted, and we talked about the pencil marks on the backs of these "ghost back" cards, I have thought this is one time that removing the pencil marks would be an injustice. There is a time and place for everything and taking these off of the backs would hurt the provenance a little bit, imo. The pencil mark stays on the back of mine and my guess is they will stay on the others shown too.....best regards

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Posted By: Joe Pelaez

Too me, as a collector, the pencil mark that was done by another collector from an earlier time, providing that it is not across the face, can be part of the attraction and charm of the card.
It's a connection from one collector to another.

Besides, ...
If we didn't have the 15 cents, or 25 cents pencilled on the cards, how else would Dave get his prices from that period?

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Leon and Joe,
I agree the pencil mark makes the card more interesting in my opinion, and would never erase it. I'm just wondering how many more we will find... Be well Brian


PS I have some really nice T206's with pencil marks that I will post later in a new thread.