“Blue Chip” Cards

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Yup, the big time CJs did terrible last night- Jackson, Matty, and Cobb. One would think it was the seller/forum, which may certainly have played a role; ebay is not the ideal place to sell those items at auction. But the super-sharp discount to recent sales is too significant for that to be the only reason. The CJs in Heritage will help inform whether last night’s prices are the result of the economy/state of the hobby, the selling forum, or both. I suspect it’s some of both.

Bright side is you know those items weren’t shilled…

Interesting... I heard a rumor that the set break was actually Probstein's cards, not a consignor.

Either way, I do think that break should have been done through an auction house.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

Adding 20% makes no sense. I think those bidding $100-300k can figure out what they want to pay and do the math.

Sounds like a return to our earlier thread about the juice!

Congrats to 3-2 count for stirring it back up to top of mind for us.

[Smarti5051]

Did a Net54 member end up winning the CJ Jackson? I am dying to know what bid would have sniped it had I put one in at the last minute. I assumed the card would end up in the $145K+ range, especially when it hit $105K with a few hours left. So, I casually watched it Halloween night and checked back about 3 mins after it closed. If the buyer had a bid up to $140K, glad I saved him $25K. But, if he was bowing out at $108K, really sad I didn't take the auction more seriously. I am not positive I could have hit submit at $121K, but right now I feel remorse I didn't go for it.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Smarti5051

Did a Net54 member end up winning the CJ Jackson? I am dying to know what bid would have sniped it had I put one in at the last minute. I assumed the card would end up in the $145K+ range, especially when it hit $105K with a few hours left. So, I casually watched it Halloween night and checked back about 3 mins after it closed. If the buyer had a bid up to $140K, glad I saved him $25K. But, if he was bowing out at $108K, really sad I didn't take the auction more seriously. I am not positive I could have hit submit at $121K, but right now I feel remorse I didn't go for it.

Either way, the seller wishes you had bid like there's no tomorrow.

[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by raulus

Sounds like a return to our earlier thread about the juice!

Congrats to 3-2 count for stirring it back up to top of mind for us.

You're welcome. Always glad to help!

[LincolnVT]

So, to Tony and Ryan’s points…I agree with both of you that eBay isn’t the best place to maximize sales for high end cards. If you apply this PSA 5 Jjax ebay sale last night to an auction scenario, it would have ended / hammer price at about 87k plus the juice…that would likely have looked pretty appealing to someone during extended bidding. I’m not a fan of auctions myself…but I do like to watch them. I consider the big three (Jackson, Cobb and Matty) 1914 CJs to be blue chip cards. I also feel like it is so tough to actually see the cards via the ebay photos…too much dependence on just going with the assigned grade…

[3-2-count]

I am totally in agreement that Ebay was not the best platform to offer these on.

It no doubt came into play and is reflected in their final hammer prices.

BP included or not

[Aaron Seefeldt]

A lot of people won’t bid unless they have consignments in play to offset having to write a big check (or PayPal, etc). I know a couple of fairly wealthy collectors that won’t get real aggressive on big ticket items unless they’re “trimming some fat” at the same time.

Also - as I have learned over 25 years of buying/selling - the more you spend on an item the more you can lose.

[MVSNYC]

I was surprised at the CJ prices last night...but, that PSA 5 Jax was overgraded.

Also, I find that eBay auctions that end on a holiday usually end lower; many people out, not paying attention. I remember years ago winning a card on eBay on New Years Eve...went much lower than market value. So I truly think that also played a factor.

[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

I was surprised at the CJ prices last night...but, that PSA 5 Jax was overgraded.

When compared to the last example which sold for $240K, it sure was Michael.

But hey, its not like I'd mentioned that previously anywhere

[babraham]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

As an aside, the 1.5 Jax in Heritage has better eye appeal than the 5 that sold last night.

Agreed!

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

I was watching the PSA 7 1914 CJ Alexander. This copy sold at auction in 2018 for $20,800 at Heritage, the guy turned down an offer of 40K in February 2021 through the Heritage site, and last night it sold for a little over 27K.

[luciobar1980]

Sorry, but I find this whole topic vague and uninteresting. You might as well discuss "what are the best cards?"

[Madi$on18joshua]

That same card sold from Goldin in 2021 for $116k!!! My guess is the seller was absolutely SHOCKED with the final closing price!

[Republicaninmass]

Lots of excuses. Next thing will be about how the "packaging " at an auction house is better or more trusted than Probstein. I have an incredibly hard time believe buyers, consignors, and their Shillers, miss probstein auctions.

[lowpopper]

high grade is not always a criterion. anything that has wide trade value proven to acquire value steadily is blue chip

[Leon]

Nice looking, top tier HOF'ers, from mainstream sets are generally blue chip.

[DeanH3]

Agreed that a card does not need to be high grade to be a blue chip.

That's a nice Cy Leon. Blue chip all the way for sure.

Ruth Cards

[Rhotchkiss]

BLUE chips

[Snowman]

the 48 Leaf Jackie should be in there as well

[brianp-beme]

Another couple of examples of what I consider to be blue chip cards. Perhaps this is why my car is a 20+ year old Toyota Corrode-lla.

Brian

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

I'm going to play devils advocate here on the trio of 1914 CJ's which ended last night on Ebay.

Since Ebay does not charge a buyers premium, if factoring in the 20% juice that would have been added on top of these prices if sold through an AH these actually weren't that far off.

The Psa 5 Jax from last night if a 20% BP were added would have been $126,120.00

The last Psa 5 Jax which sold for $240,000.00 was far superior to this example and was centered which many pay way up for these days. Now we can debate if it was $100K+ nicer, but it was nicer nonetheless. Prior to this $240K spike the last sell for a Psa 5 Jax was $116,400 on 8/8/21.

The Psa 4 Cobb from last night if a 20% BP were added would have been $59,721.60.

The last Psa 4 Cobb which sold (this exact card actually) ended at $58,800.00 on 8/15/21.

The Sgc 2 Matty from last night if a 20% BP were added would have been $61,920.00.

The last Sgc 2 Matty which sold (this exact card actually) ended at $64,156.40 on 8/28/21.

Just my two cents

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous post I have ever read on this site. BP is already factored in to the bids people make on cards at this level, or levels much lower. The unfortunate part is you are correct, these cards easily went for 20% less than they should have, if not more. But not because of the lack of BP on ebay. I had no idea that these were even up. I'm sure others missed them as well. They ended on the wrong day, a Monday, on the wrong site, and the day before an election.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous post I have ever read on this site. BP is already factored in to the bids people make on cards at this level, or levels much lower. The unfortunate part is you are correct, these cards easily went for 20% less than they should have, if not more. But not because of the lack of BP on ebay. I had no idea that these were even up. I'm sure others missed them as well. They ended on the wrong day, a Monday, on the wrong site, and the day before an election.

I think the auction in question ended on Halloween, give or take a day, so maybe not the day before the election. Unless you voted early or by mail, in which case the election could have been any day in the last few weeks.

[vansaad]

Three Jackie blue chippers IMO.

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[G1911]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous post I have ever read on this site. BP is already factored in to the bids people make on cards at this level, or levels much lower. The unfortunate part is you are correct, these cards easily went for 20% less than they should have, if not more. But not because of the lack of BP on ebay. I had no idea that these were even up. I'm sure others missed them as well. They ended on the wrong day, a Monday, on the wrong site, and the day before an election.

Leaving out the wrong election claim, how does somebody not know about eBay and Probstein? It's very high visibility. Probstein is what, a top 2 or 3 seller? It's not some obscure listing at all.

My personal opinion is this means nothing; the card is a joke of a 5 with round corners and stains all over it. I'd get a 2 or 3 submitting it.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by G1911

Leaving out the wrong election claim, how does somebody not know about eBay and Probstein? It's very high visibility. Probstein is what, a top 2 or 3 seller? It's not some obscure listing at all.

My personal opinion is this means nothing; the card is a joke of a 5 with round corners and stains all over it. I'd get a 2 or 3 submitting it.

If I’m not mistaken, there were a half dozen pieces cited. Are there similar overgrading issues with the others?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by raulus

If I’m not mistaken, there were a half dozen pieces cited. Are there similar overgrading issues with the others?

Yes. I would get a 2, not a 4, on that Cobb, with stains almost everywhere and some very dark ones, round corners, and what appears to be a corner crease too.

The Mathewson is literally missing a piece out of the bottom. That's a 1, not a 2.

That's all 3 that appear to have originally been cited. Some overgraded cards going for less 1 time is not a crisis. I don't think the investors need to panic here.

I mean, OH NO THE SKY IS FALLING!

[raulus]

Originally Posted by G1911

I mean, OH NO THE SKY IS FALLING!

That's more like it.

[pokerplyr80]

Oh apparently I had the end date wrong, but I might have bid on a couple of these and completely missed the auction. I don't constantly search ebay for all cards I may be interested in, and would be more likely to have seen them in a heritage or REA auction. I believe there is a good chance others missed these as well.

[BeanTown]

Let’s not forget Red and Green chips too!

[Johnny630]

Mickey

[brianp-beme]

In what is hopefully the last of my blue chip posts, here are two E254 Colgan cards of players who eventually became major league umpires (George Moriarty and Al Orth).

Thus the cards you are viewing in this post are Blue (umps in Colgan's) Chips.

Brian (these Blue Chips not mine)

[Aaron Seefeldt]

The IBM of cards…

[Rhotchkiss]

Keeping in mind that this is the prewar (WWII) part of the forum, regarding blue chips, just take a look at the 25 highest priced lots in the REA auction ending tmrw: Cobb, Wagner, Young, Johnson, Mathewson, t206 and t205 rarities, and 1914 CJ HOFers. Enough said….

Regarding post WWII vintage, I have no doubt that Mantle, Mays, Robinson, Aaron, key 1952 topps cards, etc fit into the blue chip discussion as well. I just don’t play in that playground much and don’t know if the fact that these cards tend to be more available/common compared to cards from before 1940 makes a difference.

[Jay Wolt]

Aaron that's an awesome card!

[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Aaron that's an awesome card!

I'll second that. Aaron, beautiful Cobb!

[Aaron Seefeldt]

Thanks Tony & Jay. I paid as much for it (about 1 1/2 yrs ago) as I sold a ‘14 Cobb SGC 4 for a few years before. They just keep going up

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Keeping in mind that this is the prewar (WWII) part of the forum, regarding blue chips, just take a look at the 25 highest priced lots in the REA auction ending tmrw: Cobb, Wagner, Young, Johnson, Mathewson, t206 and t205 rarities, and 1914 CJ HOFers. Enough said….

Regarding post WWII vintage, I have no doubt that Mantle, Mays, Robinson, Aaron, key 1952 topps cards, etc fit into the blue chip discussion as well. I just don’t play in that playground much and don’t know if the fact that these cards tend to be more available/common compared to cards from before 1940 makes a difference.

Call me crazy, but isn’t this auction exclusively for pre-war items?

For pre-war items to be at the top of the list when they are the only ones on the list, well, the probability of such a result does seem to be strong.

[LincolnVT]

People are quick to use top tier “HOF” members as a reference to cover a swath of the great names…IMO, a few well known issues / cards featuring Joe Jackson are / should be considered at the blue chip level…despite his unfortunate HOF status.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous post I have ever read on this site. BP is already factored in to the bids people make on cards at this level, or levels much lower. The unfortunate part is you are correct, these cards easily went for 20% less than they should have, if not more. But not because of the lack of BP on ebay. I had no idea that these were even up. I'm sure others missed them as well. They ended on the wrong day, a Monday, on the wrong site, and the day before an election.

Wow, people really stretching to find an answer to why they sold for less. You Forgot the full moon in the 7th house and Jupiter aligned with Mars. Literally one person missing it on Ebay, getting their rest to hit the ballot box.

Better just saying people finally arent bidding with probstein.


But yet again they still bid with pwcc in their own platfirm

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by raulus

Call me crazy, but isn’t this auction exclusively for pre-war items?

For pre-war items to be at the top of the list when they are the only ones on the list, well, the probability of such a result does seem to be strong.

I am referring to the players and the specific prewar sets, not prewar in general. I feel that was pretty obvious

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I am referring to the players and the specific prewar sets, not prewar in general. I feel that was pretty obvious

Apparently I was oblivious to just how obvious it was.

[Rhotchkiss]

Apparently.

[tedzan]

First TOPPS Mantle (greenish BLUE) ............................................ last TOPPS Mantle (with very rare BLUE background)

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My favorite 19th Century card





Star card of my "complete" SWEET CAPORAL Factory #30 set (468 cards)





My favorite T206 with a very rare back

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A unique T206 John McGraw





I could not find a BLUE card of Babe Ruth, so I improvised........





Stan the Man (1949 BOWMAN and 1949 LEAF)

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And finally....there is BLUE....and there is no BLUE



I thought this thread needed some humor


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[MRSPORTSCARDCOLLECTOR]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Mantle
Ruth
Jackie
Cobb
Mays

Regular Issue No Oddball Best Centered Highest grade you can afford. That’s my best description of what I consider to be “Blue Chip”

I would add Ted Williams and Hank Aaron to your 5 you recommended and call them The Magnificent Seven.

[BabyRuth]

" blue chip" card of Babe Ruth - blue and chipped!!!

[LOUCARDFAN]

Originally Posted by Aaron Seefeldt

The IBM of cards…

Beautiful card Aaron. I love my blue chip.




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[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by tedzan

First TOPPS Mantle (greenish BLUE) ............................................ last TOPPS Mantle (with very rare BLUE background)


I thought this thread needed some humor


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Bluish humor...I didn't know you were Bluish.

[LincolnVT]

Nice card Todd!