Are post cards rookie cards?

[Knightlax5]

Hi all,

I'm working on a creating a custom list of all rookie cards and ran into instances where a few guys have their first "card"" as a postcard.

If someone's first appearance is on a post card, do you consider it a rookie card?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Why soitenly.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Only if the PC is part of a set of some kind. Otherwise, it's just a PC.

And, by "set", I mean a collection of PCs that was produced in some sort of quantity, even if only two copies of each PC were printed. Otherwise, it's just a PC.

A single known PC of some Negro League HOFer shouldn't be considered a RC or card of any sort simply because there's so little else available on that player. It's just a PC.

Same rules apply to cabinet photos of 19th century players, even if more than one copy is known. They may be lovely, but if they're not part of any series, they're photos.

I think a lot of the rule-bending, for lack of a better term, can be placed on auction houses trying to squeeze more money out of buyers by convincing (some of) them that items like these can also be considered cards. Clearly, many people have taken the bait. Again, it doesn't make these items any less fetching in most cases, but let's call a spade a spade.

I suppose that someone will counter my feelings with pointing out that the Peck & Snyder is considered the first baseball card, yet is not part of a larger set! Due to the advertising on that card, I'd like to think of it more as a premium, but there are technicalities everywhere we turn! Hey, we can call it a "set" due to the variations!

These aren't hard and fast rules, but they're my take on it. The best part is that the only rules are those that you have chosen to consider in your own collecting. If you consider that elephant over there to be a card, so be it! More power to you.

[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

These aren't hard and fast rules, but they're my take on it. The best part is that the only rules are those that you have chosen to consider in your own collecting. If you consider that elephant over there to be a card, so be it! More power to you.

That's the ultimate takeaway.

Some people won't consider regional issues even if they're the same size, type, etc of cards considered "real."

Some people won't consider anything that was mailed in to claim even if similar cards were released as a food/item premium.

Some people won't consider anything that didn't come in a pack.

Some people won't consider anything oversized... or too undersized...or stamps...or leathers...or wrappers (Overland Candy)...etc...

I consider non-oversized regional issues RC's if they're the earliest cards. I know numerous people that would not...

[Neal]

[QUOTE=BillyCoxDodgers3B;2515128,

These aren't hard and fast rules, but they're my take on it. The best part is that the only rules are those that you have chosen to consider in your own collecting. If you consider that elephant over there to be a card, so be it! More power to you.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

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[mrreality68]

Seems like the latest trend in collecting over last 5 years are so is that everything counts.
PLus people are saying things are the "rookie cards" to increase its value so they get more.

I love Postcards and some of them have been more accepted as cards then others.

To me in general there are to many rookie cards however you want to define them.

As an example I think Ty Cobb has more than double digit rookie cards.

Some places you hear and read that consider 1933 Goudey Ruth Cards his Ruth cards. (GOOGLE IT)

[h2oya311]

If you need help creating your custom checklist for HOF rookie cards, my site will likely help you tremendously:

https://imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofearliest

It’s about 50% complete now, but I’m hoping to have all images and verified checklists by the end of the year. The checklists are generally complete, but may have a few holes for those players where it still says “under construction”. Of course, if anyone sees anything missing, please let me know. It’s intended to be all encompassing.

[Knightlax5]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

If you need help creating your custom checklist for HOF rookie cards, my site will likely help you tremendously:

https://imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofearliest

It’s about 50% complete now, but I’m hoping to have all images and verified checklists by the end of the year. The checklists are generally complete, but may have a few holes for those players where it still says “under construction”. Of course, if anyone sees anything missing, please let me know. It’s intended to be all encompassing.

Thanks! I've been using a few different sources to determine rookie cards. I effectively started with the post war rookie HOF list from PSA and have expanded it. MY goal was to make it something achievable. So I relied upon sets like 1950 callahan and 1974/78 Laughlins. Once I'm happy with the list I'll finalize it and post it here for feedback

[JollyElm]

Perhaps apropos of nothing, I thought the thread title referred to "Post" (as in the brand), which may open this up to a tangential discussion.
If a card appears on a box to be cut out, would that count as a true rookie if it preceded other issuances?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

If you need help creating your custom checklist for HOF rookie cards, my site will likely help you tremendously:

https://imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofearliest

It’s about 50% complete now, but I’m hoping to have all images and verified checklists by the end of the year. The checklists are generally complete, but may have a few holes for those players where it still says “under construction”. Of course, if anyone sees anything missing, please let me know. It’s intended to be all encompassing.

A wondrous resource, and just great to browse as well.

[darwinbulldog]

Generally yes, unless it was produced prior to the year of his MLB debut.

[Brian Van Horn]

I admit I haven't read through all of this. Throw in cabinets.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Strip Cards
W590 Gehrig
W519 Frisch
W520 Coveleski
W514 Youngs
W504 H Wilson
W502 Dickey
W573 Hartnett
W520 Kelly
W590 Lindstrom

[bcbgcbrcb]

Box Cut
76 Hostess Eckersley
78 Hostess Murray
79 Hostess O Smith
75 Hostess Yount
61 Post Santo

[Exhibitman]

If I own the PC it is a RC. If not, not.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

If I own the PC it is a RC. If not, not.

Ok, I rescind what I wrote. It's this.