Probstein Magie listing

[darwinbulldog]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37568716279...Bk9SR-znl7HKZA

Seriously?

[philliesfan]

Wow. How does ebay allow that?

[ullmandds]

it obviously won't pass the ebay/auth/cert process...assuming there is one?

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

it obviously won't pass the ebay/auth/cert process...assuming there is one?

There is. I expect the listing will be cancelled later today, but I'm surprised it got by the Probstein staff. I would have assumed they knew what actual T206s look like and that they knew that this particular card wouldn't have a 350 back.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

it obviously won't pass the ebay/auth/cert process...assuming there is one?

People are bidding on it. The card will pass the ($250) threshold, assuming Rick doesn't end it early.

If it goes to authentication, it shouldn't pass. You never know, though.

In any event, shame on the consignor. They probably figure it's a low-risk move with a potentially high reward. Hopefully, it ends poorly for them.

[D. Bergin]

I'm sure some low level data entry person let it through. Will be sure to get pulled once the right people are aware of it............I hope.

[Fuddjcal]

If you Shillstien it, they will come.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by philliesfan

Wow. How does ebay allow that?

Are you kidding? eBay, the company that continually tries to sell me 1991 Fleer Jose Uribe error cards for 5+ figures on their homepage?

eBay has never bothered to invest in either hiring or becoming category experts themselves, and apparently with their complicated authentication policies - never intend to. That's how they allow that.

[topcat61]

This is completely and totally absurd. Probstien knows the difference between a fake and original. And quite honestly this is why its important to study the cards and printing. What a fake phony fraud this is and now I'm getting mad. What's next from Probstien, a 350 Series Tolstoi back Honus Wagner?!

[edhans]

Originally Posted by topcat61

Probstien knows the difference between a fake and original.!

If it were slabbed, perhaps he could tell. Not convinced he could spot a raw reprint, unless it was completely obvious.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by edhans

If it were slabbed, perhaps he could tell. Not convinced he could spot a raw reprint, unless it was completely obvious.

The fact Probstein is even selling the card raw tells you all you need to know about his clown car operation.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by topcat61

Probstien knows the difference between a fake and original.

I would guess that Rick hasn’t personally handled a card he has sold in more than a decade.

[calvindog]

Has anyone emailed him? These aren't even close.

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Has anyone emailed him? These aren't even close.

Was wondering the same thing - I’d do it but my T206 knowledge is not bulletproof as others on this site

[G1911]

Interesting bids to get it over $2,000.

[Tec87]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Has anyone emailed him? These aren't even close.

I did the other day on the Magie and explained what was wrong with it but have gotten no response.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Has anyone emailed him? These aren't even close.

He won't respond. Never does unless they are confidently incorrect. I stopped bothering emailing him about a decade ago after outing between 20-25 bad items over the years. His reps responded to exactly one email, when I tried to explain the card below wasn't PSA/DNA authenticated and the auto was probably bad. They responded that " the holder had not been compromised and that the auto was clearly authenticated as designated on the flip'. Funny enough, the card sold for a ridiculous sum and 6 months later was in a mid-major auction house popular on this forum. I again emailed that auction house and tried to explain the same issues. They also responded that the auto was clearly deemed authentic by PSA. It sold for even more dough. So I took it to the CU forums to hopefully educate some people. CU responded by giving me one month vacation. I gave up at that point.... My new belief system is that if you can drop four or five figures on a picture of a dude, you can take a little time to learn not to be a sucker.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

My new belief system is that if you can drop four or five figures on a picture of a dude, you can take a little time to learn not to be a sucker.

It's so difficult for me to fathom that there are people with lots of money and apparently some degree of interest in this hobby who will spend untold amounts on items that mere minutes of education would have told them was bad. Many of these people are obviously successes in other parts of their lives to be able to afford such material. If you are interested in any subject, then why wouldn't you learn anything about it? I would not want to be stuck in a conversation with people like that, even for a nanosecond. Not my way of thinking.

If the winner of the card in the OP is actually a legitimate bidder, they deserve to own that card. Sorry, I have no compassion for that level of ignorance. But they will be covered if it even gets that far. I'm amazed it has stayed up this long. Every aspect of this auction is infuriating.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

He won't respond. Never does unless they are confidently incorrect. I stopped bothering emailing him about a decade ago after outing between 20-25 bad items over the years. His reps responded to exactly one email, when I tried to explain the card below wasn't PSA/DNA authenticated and the auto was probably bad. They responded that " the holder had not been compromised and that the auto was clearly authenticated as designated on the flip'. Funny enough, the card sold for a ridiculous sum and 6 months later was in a mid-major auction house popular on this forum. I again emailed that auction house and tried to explain the same issues. They also responded that the auto was clearly deemed authentic by PSA. It sold for even more dough. So I took it to the CU forums to hopefully educate some people. CU responded by giving me one month vacation. I gave up at that point.... My new belief system is that if you can drop four or five figures on a picture of a dude, you can take a little time to learn not to be a sucker.

It's clear that the grade is not for the autograph and I'm amazed (not really) that both Leland's and Probstein would sell it. A simple review of the pop report shows that the card doesn't exist in the pop report as autographed, corroborated by the lack of autograph notation on the flip. What a joke!

As for the fake T206s, at this point I also have little empathy for the buyers. The cards jump out of the screen as fake. But this is the hobby and collectors are salivating at the prospect of getting a raw card at a cheap price.

[Eric72]

Bidding is over $1,000 with four and a half days to go.

[jchcollins]

Here’s another example. Because I clicked on Probstein in this thread, eBay now wants to sell me this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13527522244...mis&media=COPY


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[JollyElm]

Look, I have no horse in this race (riot), and have no interest in getting wrath for speaking up, but when someone refers to a beanie, the immediate thought has always been using it to compare (read: insult) someone to a little, clueless kid wearing a propeller on his hat...a genericized beanie.

I checked Wikipedia for the hell of it and the listing is Beanie (seamed cap). Can't find anything about Judaism there.

Color me confused about the anger flying here.

beanie.jpg

[jingram058]

beenie = beanie = antisemitic (read = yamaka)

One of the more fortunate and educational aspects of my childhood and youth was growing up in a VERY diverse neighborhood...Catholics, Protestants, and Jewish. And we all got along. That is, except for the eventualities that are bound to arise from time to time with a bunch of dumbass kids. One day, in anger and stupidity over something nonsensical, I made the stupid mistake of calling one of my best friends the aforementioned "beanie boy". After having my butt royally kicked, he didn't speak to me for about a week. I deserved everything I got. He eventually forgave me, and life went on, until some new crisis came along within our crew.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Look, I have no horse in this race (riot), and have no interest in getting wrath for speaking up, but when someone refers to a beanie, the immediate thought has always been using it to compare (read: insult) someone to a little, clueless kid wearing a propeller on his hat...a genericized beanie.

I checked Wikipedia for the hell of it and the listing is Beanie (seamed cap). Can't find anything about Judaism there.

Color me confused about the anger flying here.

Seems pretty obvious it was in reference to Probstein's religious headwear he usually wears. Seems pretty plain that he should be criticized on legitimate grounds (like the shilling and fake cards) and that this is not legitimate but clearly over the line and inappropriate. I'm see it's going to be spun and excused with a non-apology plea of ignorance, but it's quite a stretch to pretend it's not what it clearly was.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by G1911

Seems pretty obvious it was in reference to Probstein's religious headwear he usually wears. Seems pretty plain that he should be criticized on legitimate grounds (like the shilling and fake cards) and that this is not legitimate but clearly over the line and inappropriate. I'm see it's going to be spun and excused with a non-apology plea of ignorance, but it's quite a stretch to pretend it's not what it clearly was.

Well, then go fuck yourself, Mr. Argumentative.
I'm not spinning anything. How in hell would I know what headgear some guy who I only know via references to his name on Net54 wears? Obviously, I don't.
Now I'm going to go cry, because some random internet clown who spends 24 hours a day bitching at everyone doesn't like me. Boo hoo hoo.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Well, then go fuck yourself, Mr. Argumentative.
I'm not spinning anything. How in hell would I know what headgear some guy who I only know via references to his name on Net54 wears? Obviously, I don't.
Now I'm going to go cry, because some random internet clown who spends 24 hours a day bitching at everyone doesn't like me. Boo hoo hoo.

I think most of us have seen Probstein. He's pretty well known in this community. If you have never seen him and this was news, this should now make sense and the explanation should not make you throw a little bitch fit? I guess not.

The spinning non-apology was about Fuddjcal's comment after unbanning.

Good job though, you managed not to be a racist prick, so you're above some of this thread.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Well, then go fuck yourself, Mr. Argumentative.
I'm not spinning anything. How in hell would I know what headgear some guy who I only know via references to his name on Net54 wears? Obviously, I don't.
Now I'm going to go cry, because some random internet clown who spends 24 hours a day bitching at everyone doesn't like me. Boo hoo hoo.

I don't think he was accusing YOU of spinning the situation.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Here’s another example. Because I clicked on Probstein in this thread, eBay now wants to sell me this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13527522244...mis&media=COPY


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I reported this obvious fake several days ago. eBay finally responded this morning:

“We looked into your report and didn’t find the listing to be in violation of our policy. This determination was made by a customer service agent.”

[CardPadre]

Keep ‘em coming, well-centered please.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/365179629607

[Leon]

At least it could be a good looking fake. That is just ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by CardPadre

Keep ‘em coming, well-centered please.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/365179629607

[Eric72]

With the amount of volume he does, it's bound to happen from time to time. He's had quite a few counterfeits recently, though. I guess a scammer latched on to Probstein and is trying to use his business to pass off their fakes.

I can see a scenario in which Rick bans the scammer and then they try this with other auction houses.

*sigh*

More hobby fraud.

Be careful out there, folks.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I can see a scenario in which Rick bans the scammer and then they try this with other auction houses.

That may be, but I can't name too many auction companies that would fall for these. Sometimes there may be such a thing as too big, if he can't hire people who know better. These were not subtle.

[CardPadre]

Again…

You’d think if you’re going to accept raw Ruth stuff you would have someone on staff who can be trusted to authenticate raw Ruth stuff.



https://www.ebay.com/itm/365215499691

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Again…

You’d think if you’re going to accept raw Ruth stuff you would have someone on staff who can be trusted to authenticate raw Ruth stuff.



https://www.ebay.com/itm/365215499691

"You would think" - but I've been saying this for years now. eBay has never cared to be category experts. It's apparently preferable to ship things in the card category off to other "experts", like PSA. But the rest of that crap is why it's still possible to go on eBay - where my established track record of the types of things I'm interested in should be fairly evident by now - and be hustled to buy $10K Fleer Jose Uribe error cards. Something seems redundantly wrong with that business model at this point, but clearly it works for them.

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

"You would think" - but I've been saying this for years now. eBay has never cared to be category experts. It's apparently preferable to ship things in the card category off to other "experts", like PSA. But the rest of that crap is why it's still possible to go on eBay - where my established track record of the types of things I'm interested in should be fairly evident by now - and be hustled to buy $10K Fleer Jose Uribe error cards. Something seems redundantly wrong with that business model at this point, but clearly it works for them.

I was specifically talking about Probstein here...I've already completely given up on eBay being able to have staff that can identify counterfeit cards, they needed (and created) the Auth program to offload that responsibility.

But Probstein should have at least one guy that can be counted on to evaluate relatively spendy raw cards that come through.




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[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

I was specifically talking about Probstein here...I've already completely given up on eBay being able to have staff that can identify counterfeit cards, they needed (and created) the Auth program to offload that responsibility.

But Probstein should have at least one guy that can be counted on to evaluate relatively spendy raw cards that come through.

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Ah, ok. Sorry didn't scroll up far enough before responding.

[darwinbulldog]

Just came here to post about that same Ruth card.