Paul Skenes Superfractor Bowman Chrome Auto RC Back on Market

[YankeeCollector]

Paul Skenes best RC on the market again

Golden Elite Auction

Predictions?

I saw $125k

More than the Recent Gehrig RC and Babe Ruth game used bat.

[Brian Van Horn]

Imagine that. A Pirate beating the Yankees. Oh, yeah. October 13, 1960, 3:36 p.m.


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[Leon]

Every time I see these new cards selling for more than the great old ones, I just shake my head. And that is why there is chocolate and vanilla. I don't even know of 99% of the new players. I would if I cared, I guess.

Originally Posted by YankeeCollector

Paul Skenes best RC on the market again

Golden Elite Auction

Predictions?

I saw $125k

More than the Recent Gehrig RC and Babe Ruth game used bat.

[FrankWakefield]

+1 for what Leon said.

I was once told I wasn't a baseball fan; and it shocked me, the comment was from a good friend who collected the old cards (our cards) and knew tons more about them than I did... we'd gone to MLB games together, even a WS game.

He told me I was not a fan of modern baseball with outrageous salaries, through the roof ticket prices, $11 beer... instead, I was a fan of 19th and 20th century baseball. He was right.

I can watch an all-star game and know just a hand full of players. I'd not go to the home run thing the night before the AS game if I was given tickets, lodging, and airfare.

[BioCRN]

As a younger person, I would have flipped out for the streaming games we have now. I'm still a bit amazed how easy the access is for high quality streams.

MLB Players Alumni Association $25 membership. Half off the $140 MLB.tv streaming package. $95 a year for everything (local blackouts apply). This is a golden era of game consumption.

I watch many 100s of hours of games per season and it's awesome. I'm very thankful to live in this era and if/when the era of local blackouts come it should only get better.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by BioCRN

As a younger person, I would have flipped out for the streaming games we have now. I'm still a bit amazed how easy the access is for high quality streams.

MLB Players Alumni Association $25 membership. Half off the $140 MLB.tv streaming package. $95 a year for everything (local blackouts apply). This is a golden era of game consumption.

I watch many 100s of hours of games per season and it's awesome. I'm very thankful to live in this era and if/when the era of local blackouts come it should only get better.

I agree with you. I recently got back into watching baseball after a 30 year break, and I love it. The game is much more accessible now.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by BioCRN

As a younger person, I would have flipped out for the streaming games we have now. I'm still a bit amazed how easy the access is for high quality streams.

MLB Players Alumni Association $25 membership. Half off the $140 MLB.tv streaming package. $95 a year for everything (local blackouts apply). This is a golden era of game consumption.

I watch many 100s of hours of games per season and it's awesome. I'm very thankful to live in this era and if/when the era of local blackouts come it should only get better.

Are you a former player?

Or is the alumni association open to everyone?

[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by steve B

Are you a former player?

Or is the alumni association open to everyone?

Not a former player, there's a fan option. $25/year. It comes with some discount perks that may help some chip away at the cost if they use the services.

The main big perk is mlb.tv is 50% off if you're a member.

[Bryzz02016]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

+1 for what Leon said.

I was once told I wasn't a baseball fan; and it shocked me, the comment was from a good friend who collected the old cards (our cards) and knew tons more about them than I did... we'd gone to MLB games together, even a WS game.

He told me I was not a fan of modern baseball with outrageous salaries, through the roof ticket prices, $11 beer... instead, I was a fan of 19th and 20th century baseball. He was right.

I can watch an all-star game and know just a hand full of players. I'd not go to the home run thing the night before the AS game if I was given tickets, lodging, and airfare.

I couldn't agree with you more. Each year I am less and less interested in modern MLB. The micromanaging rule changes, disrespectful players, etc. I recently dumped all my modern crap and switched to pre-war. I'm never going back.

[packs]

If disrespectful players keep you from enjoying the game, then I don't think you would have enjoyed 19th and turn of the 20th century baseball. The game was perceived as being solely for disrespectful people of ill repute. This was mentioned many times in many stories throughout the Glory of Their Times.

[Bryzz02016]

Originally Posted by packs

If disrespectful players keep you from enjoying the game, then I don't think you would have enjoyed 19th and turn of the 20th century baseball. The game was perceived as being solely for disrespectful people of ill repute. This was mentioned many times in many stories throughout the Glory of Their Times.

**** Let me clarify: Players that don't respect the game. Hot dogs, showboats, etc. This was not tolerated in as little as 40 years ago. And this is simply one small factor. The silly changes(pitch clock, base enlarging, lack of strategy/all or nothing Home Run approach) are much larger that the the Eloys and Tatis types that ass up the game today.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Bryzz02016

I couldn't agree with you more. Each year I am less and less interested in modern MLB. The micromanaging rule changes, disrespectful players, etc. I recently dumped all my modern crap and switched to pre-war. I'm never going back.

Yeah, back in the day we'd never have had a left-handed superstar pitcher punch an umpire after walking the first batter in a game.

Or a team going on strike to defend a teammate who beat up a fan.

Or a team conspiring to intentionally lose a championship.

[rjackson44]

125 k for who lol

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Yeah, back in the day we'd never have had a left-handed superstar pitcher punch an umpire after walking the first batter in a game.

Or a team going on strike to defend a teammate who beat up a fan.

Or a team conspiring to intentionally lose a championship.

Yeah, and back in the day they had this too.

This is when MLB lost me and I never cared to go back.

1994 MLB Season
The strike began on August 12, 1994, and resulted in the remainder of that season, including the postseason and the World Series, being canceled.

Owners and players were at loggerheads over a proposed salary cap and revenue-sharing agreement



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[ahmanfan]

I’m sorry, but if Ohtani hitting 3 HR’s yesterday to establish the 50/50 club doesn’t excite you, you’re hopeless.


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[FrankWakefield]

Hit and run guys from when I was a kid...

Jim Gilliam
Willie Davis
Dick Groat
Richie Allen
Pete Rose

Those guys could make contact if that's what they wanted, they could watch SS and 2B to see who was covering the bag, and they could run a ground ball through the vacated hole. Brings to mind a close quote of a fella that I considered to be about the best ballplayer... "There's not much to being a ballplayer, IF you're a ballplayer."

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Hit and run guys from when I was a kid...

Jim Gilliam
Willie Davis
Dick Groat
Richie Allen
Pete Rose

Those guys could make contact if that's what they wanted, they could watch SS and 2B to see who was covering the bag, and they could run a ground ball through the vacated hole. Brings to mind a close quote of a fella that I considered to be about the best ballplayer... "There's not much to being a ballplayer, IF you're a ballplayer."

Great list Frank, I'd posit the pre 1920 guys were all hit and run, Cobb especially. Post war Willie Mays only concentrated on moving runners.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I remember Dick Allen being a big strikeout guy, not a bat control/contact hitter guy? Looking him up now, he led the league twice and was over 100 almost every year.

[FrankWakefield]

Peter,

Wow...
Just because he struck out a lot doesn't mean that he only struck out.

My recollection is seeing him batting successfully in hit and run situations, in person. That was in the mid 60's. He could hit and run then. I saw it. But that is also when he was young and coachable. Gene Mauch survived that for a few years, and once Richie settled into being a talented big leaguer he became somewhat less manageable and developed his own sense of self determination (hardheadedness).

Instead of just grabbing a season's strike out numbers to be determinative proof of one's ability to hit and run, pick a couple of seasons, 1964 through 1967, and go to retrosheet.org, I think they'll have a game log for each of his games.

What you will find is that with a runner on first, he was less likely to strike out, and often, if he got any kind of a hit, it was most likely a single that moved the runner to third. And you'll see that he was more likely to strike out with no one on base (when he was trying to muscle a ball over the fence).

Now, when the 1970's roll around, and he became Dick Allen, I think he swung for the fences a bit more often, he was more about self instead of team, and he was not expected to hit and run as often. That was in his later years,

I'm not saying he didn't strike out a lot in those early years, he did. To some extent, in later years, he was out of the lineup more often, and his strike outs were fewer. partly because he didn't swing as wildly in later years, and partly because he was getting fewer at bats.

I saw him wearing the birds on the bat probably 7 or 8 times in 1970. The attitude had set in by then. He had the ability of generating that loud crack that comes from a ball being well hit with the bat's barrel. Or, to paraphrase, he could shatter the ozone with all of his might. I saw him with the Phillies in 1964 and 1965, and the Dodgers after he left the Cardinals. The man had bat control (when neeeded) and could hit and run.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Peter,

Wow...
Just because he struck out a lot doesn't mean that he only struck out.

My recollection is seeing him batting successfully in hit and run situations, in person. That was in the mid 60's. He could hit and run then. I saw it. But that is also when he was young and coachable. Gene Mauch survived that for a few years, and once Richie settled into being a talented big leaguer he became somewhat less manageable and developed his own sense of self determination (hardheadedness).

Instead of just grabbing a season's strike out numbers to be determinative proof of one's ability to hit and run, pick a couple of seasons, 1964 through 1967, and go to retrosheet.org, I think they'll have a game log for each of his games.

What you will find is that with a runner on first, he was less likely to strike out, and often, if he got any kind of a hit, it was most likely a single that moved the runner to third. And you'll see that he was more likely to strike out with no one on base (when he was trying to muscle a ball over the fence).

Now, when the 1970's roll around, and he became Dick Allen, I think he swung for the fences a bit more often, he was more about self instead of team, and he was not expected to hit and run as often. That was in his later years,

I'm not saying he didn't strike out a lot in those early years, he did. To some extent, in later years, he was out of the lineup more often, and his strike outs were fewer. partly because he didn't swing as wildly in later years, and partly because he was getting fewer at bats.

I saw him wearing the birds on the bat probably 7 or 8 times in 1970. The attitude had set in by then. He had the ability of generating that loud crack that comes from a ball being well hit with the bat's barrel. Or, to paraphrase, he could shatter the ozone with all of his might. I saw him with the Phillies in 1964 and 1965, and the Dodgers after he left the Cardinals. The man had bat control (when neeeded) and could hit and run.

I am sure you saw much more of him than I did so I defer to your recollection. But leaving that aside, generally speaking, wouldn't you expect a big strike out guy not to also be a great hit and run/contact guy? I guess I see your point that they aren't per se inconsistent.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Peter,

Wow...
Just because he struck out a lot doesn't mean that he only struck out.

My recollection is seeing him batting successfully in hit and run situations, in person. That was in the mid 60's. He could hit and run then. I saw it. But that is also when he was young and coachable. Gene Mauch survived that for a few years, and once Richie settled into being a talented big leaguer he became somewhat less manageable and developed his own sense of self determination (hardheadedness).

Instead of just grabbing a season's strike out numbers to be determinative proof of one's ability to hit and run, pick a couple of seasons, 1964 through 1967, and go to retrosheet.org, I think they'll have a game log for each of his games.

What you will find is that with a runner on first, he was less likely to strike out, and often, if he got any kind of a hit, it was most likely a single that moved the runner to third. And you'll see that he was more likely to strike out with no one on base (when he was trying to muscle a ball over the fence).

Now, when the 1970's roll around, and he became Dick Allen, I think he swung for the fences a bit more often, he was more about self instead of team, and he was not expected to hit and run as often. That was in his later years,

I'm not saying he didn't strike out a lot in those early years, he did. To some extent, in later years, he was out of the lineup more often, and his strike outs were fewer. partly because he didn't swing as wildly in later years, and partly because he was getting fewer at bats.

I saw him wearing the birds on the bat probably 7 or 8 times in 1970. The attitude had set in by then. He had the ability of generating that loud crack that comes from a ball being well hit with the bat's barrel. Or, to paraphrase, he could shatter the ozone with all of his might. I saw him with the Phillies in 1964 and 1965, and the Dodgers after he left the Cardinals. The man had bat control (when neeeded) and could hit and run.

Baseball Reference disagrees with you. Across all situations, he struck out basically in basically 25% of all ABs, a little less than 20% of all PAs.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by ahmanfan

I’m sorry, but if Ohtani hitting 3 HR’s yesterday to establish the 50/50 club doesn’t excite you, you’re hopeless.


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Nobody is dissing Ohtani. Just chatting about the game, hope that is ok with you.