1952 topps Mantle how can this be real

[megalimey]

seller has only one card for sale
looks really suspect , how can this be real prefectly centered and ungraded

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40468013135...UAAOSw-sJlekcZ

[Scocs]

….Because it’s fake.

[WhatsNext]

The tell is the back corners, natural wear doesn't look like that

[JustinD]

ooh, that is definitely not kosher...

[G1911]

I'm honestly surprised we don't have many good fakes of this card yet. Especially with it's price run the last three years, we mostly see fakes that are not even remotely close and can be dismissed in two seconds.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I'm honestly surprised we don't have many good fakes of this card yet. Especially with it's price run the last three years, we mostly see fakes that are not even remotely close and can be dismissed in two seconds.

What's equally surprising is that people don't take five minutes to educate themselves how to spot obvious fakes. Of course self help is not part of our culture apparently, as is obvious from all the threads asking for contact information which people could have easily found for themselves with one search.

[a761506]

Originally Posted by G1911

I'm honestly surprised we don't have many good fakes of this card yet. Especially with it's price run the last three years, we mostly see fakes that are not even remotely close and can be dismissed in two seconds.

Is there a known card that has been faked so well it could fool an expert?

[ASF123]

Originally Posted by Scocs

….Because it’s fake.

I dunno, he’s got almost 100% positive feedback for all the Nintendo games he’s been selling. Seems like a trustworthy guy!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ASF123

I dunno, he’s got almost 100% positive feedback for all the Nintendo games he’s been selling. Seems like a trustworthy guy!

Sadly eBay feedback is completely worthless. A long time scammer has 10,960 positives with zero negative feedback.

[ASF123]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Sadly eBay feedback is completely worthless. A long time scammer has 10,960 positives with zero negative feedback.

Er…I guess I wasn’t clear enough with the joke.

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by megalimey

seller has only one card for sale
looks really suspect , how can this be real prefectly centered and ungraded

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40468013135...UAAOSw-sJlekcZ

wow up to $4500 some body is going to be unhappy

[Bored5000]

The negative feedback calling the seller a "scumbag" may give reason for pause. LOL

[steve B]

I think the reason is that to make a great fake you'd need an original as source material.
And it's become so expensive that it just hasn't happened.

It would be worth it to make one nearly perfect one. maybe a bit off, so it's not suspicious, but around a 7-8. what it would take is out of reach for most fakers.

Someone smart would only do that once. Maybe with a handful of other 52 high numbers to avert suspicion.
Two? It would start getting looked at more closely.
Three? Just asking for trouble.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by steve B

I think the reason is that to make a great fake you'd need an original as source material.
And it's become so expensive that it just hasn't happened.

It would be worth it to make one nearly perfect one. maybe a bit off, so it's not suspicious, but around a 7-8. what it would take is out of reach for most fakers.

Someone smart would only do that once. Maybe with a handful of other 52 high numbers to avert suspicion.
Two? It would start getting looked at more closely.
Three? Just asking for trouble.

What if you really wanted to tweak some noses?

I could see some of the more sinister elements of our hobby deciding to go scorched earth and create millions of really good 52T fakes. If done properly, it could throw the entire hobby in disarray for a while, at least until we figured out some way to reliably distinguish the fakes from the real deal.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by steve B

I think the reason is that to make a great fake you'd need an original as source material.
And it's become so expensive that it just hasn't happened.

It would be worth it to make one nearly perfect one. maybe a bit off, so it's not suspicious, but around a 7-8. what it would take is out of reach for most fakers.

Someone smart would only do that once. Maybe with a handful of other 52 high numbers to avert suspicion.
Two? It would start getting looked at more closely.
Three? Just asking for trouble.

If someone could buy a low grade one that would enable them to make a high grade one, the profit would be staggering. This to me doesn't explain it.

[Gorditadogg]

Up to $12k!

Seller says he will put the card in a toploader for shipment LOL.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If someone could buy a low grade one that would enable them to make a high grade one, the profit would be staggering. This to me doesn't explain it.

Not to mention, couldn’t your model (for example) just be a common ‘52 Topps card and not the Mantle? Maybe not, I don’t know but either way having one to produce profit on many doesn’t seem to me something that would stand in the way for long.


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[jchcollins]

I’ve often wondered about this. With the exponential leaps in AI effectiveness we’ve seen in the last few years, how long would it really take for someone to start creating fakes that are so good they couldn’t be detected using some of those same concepts?

I guess a better question is would this happen to money (counterfeit) first? There is a reason over hundreds of years now that hasn’t happened, and maybe not just one.

For cards, I think the cost-benefit to do this en masse just isn’t there yet. Could someone in theory invest in the infrastructure to create a printing factory that uses the old school techniques, (halftone dot printing…) old materials, and old cutting methods? Yes.

If and when this does happen, and the market is suddenly flooded with minty, perfectly centered Mickey Mantle cards that are indistinguishable from those already in PSA 8+ slabs - what happens? Do the legitimately worn, and OC copies suddenly become more valuable because they are more easily identifiable as authentic? LOL.


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