Helmar cards

[rjackson44]

What is your opinion on them?

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

What is your opinion on them?

I don't collect them but they're neat cards and the designs are fantastic. You can tell the guy behind them cares a lot about the history of baseball.

[jingram058]

I've got a pretty high opinion of them. But be advised. They're made in very limited numbers, and they can be very pricey. But I guess that's what makes them collectable. They're really good looking and well made. I have more Banty Red than Helmar, but I like them both. I have a small binder of the ones I have.

[drumback]

I collect the Helmar cabinet cards. They are really beautiful cards, much more impressive in hand than they appear online. They are VERY thick - you will be surprised, and the images are actually glued on to the backboard, just like the cabinets from the nineteenth century. The size is 4 x 6. Also, they are a limited edition of twenty for each card. Here are a few of mine:

I recommend you check out their website. A great assortment of things to see. They have an auction every Tuesday night.

BTW, the color and design on the McGraw is correct. The Giants really did wear those in 1916.

[MJRaider]

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[rjackson44]

Originally Posted by drumback

I collect the Helmar cabinet cards. They are really beautiful cards, much more impressive in hand than they appear online. They are VERY thick - you will be surprised, and the images are actually glued on to the backboard, just like the cabinets from the nineteenth century. The size is 4 x 6. Also, they are a limited edition of twenty for each card. Here are a few of mine:

I recommend you check out their website. A great assortment of things to see. They have an auction every Tuesday night.

BTW, the color and design on the McGraw is correct. The Giants really did wear those in 1916.

Wow thank you mark those are stunning,I’ll buy some cabinets now for display.very pretty.

[GregMitch34]

Indeed, Charles, the owner and designer, is fantastic guy and ethical and vitally interested in history (even my own books). Dozens of designs now, from t206 size to large and thick and pre-distressed cabinets. I am selling a few of different variety if anyone is interested.

[Fred]

I've never purchased one of these modern Helmar cards. Initially, I thought they were horrible because people that don't know vintage cards may not read the entire item descriptions and not understand what it is they're going to receive.

With the above said, I think the person that is creating them is doing a nice job because these fantasy cards are what people would probably collect if they were in fact, vintage.

Nice looking, but not so much for me.

[Lucas00]

The print quality and colors are both extremely high quality. The name spelling needs a bit of work though 😂.

The detail in the Rolled lace glove is a phenomenal touch imo.
Definitely recommend them.

[Rich Klein]

at least when they started, and I will presume this is still true, they use really good sports artists to do the work. I think they are very attractive for the most part and a good addition to a vintage collection with a modern twist And in many cases, if you can't afford the vintage cards, this makes a nice sub with the older style paintings.

Rich

[nwobhm]

Do they take requests? There are many a player that never had a card, those I would buy.

[bbcard1]

I think they are attractive, but not really cards because of age and licensing. If I bought one (and would if the right subject appeared) it would require a different mental head space than my "cards" purchases.

[GregMitch34]

Another cabinet-sized sample

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1702308218

[Ray Van]

Originally Posted by nwobhm

Do they take requests? There are many a player that never had a card, those I would buy.

Not sure about requests, but they have produced cards of many players that never had a card before (including House of David and International Stars). You can do a search on their website of everything they've produced - and clicking on a player's name takes you to a nice gallery of all their Helmar cards.

https://helmarbrewing.com/players/

[milkit1]

Charles is a great guy and many years ago I helped write the back of some of the Goudey and T202 series cards. I personally really like the team postcards that used T206 images. They are made with wood and have a really cool 3d effect

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

The print quality and colors are both extremely high quality. The name spelling needs a bit of work though 😂.

The detail in the Rolled lace glove is a phenomenal touch imo.
Definitely recommend them.

Key card for your Schoendist collection.

[Keith H. Thompson]

I would ever be interested in a modern artist's depiction of anyone, but have come to realize that talented artists can offer great art, even in copies. For collectors, nothing competes with original photographs or the artwork on Goudey for example, but I bought a Helmar cabinet of Charlie Gehringer because the artist has captured his likeness in a way that I think is perfect.

[Brian Van Horn]

Enjoyable.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

What is your opinion on them?

They are very nice for other collectors to collect.
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[eliotdeutsch]

I hate to say it. Im struggling to see how they are any better than using AI to generate a famous baseball image and then making a high resolution print?

This can all be done at virtually no cost.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by eliotdeutsch

I hate to say it. Im struggling to see how they are any better than using AI to generate a famous baseball image and then making a high resolution print?

This can all be done at virtually no cost.

They're well-designed - very visually attractive. I really doubt AI would come up with anything close to Helmar cards. Also, (I don't own any Helmars myself) but it seems like physically they are nicer than mere hi-res prints.

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by John1941

They're well-designed - very visually attractive. I really doubt AI would come up with anything close to Helmar cards. Also, (I don't own any Helmars myself) but it seems like physically they are nicer than mere hi-res prints.

Ai couldn't come close at this point in time. The attention to detail (E.g the rolled lace glove on my Red that I shared) and wide variety of players is definitely beyond its capability. We're talking tons of Negro league and obscure 19th century players that don't even have images when googled. You need a human hand to make this quality.

[eliotdeutsch]

I think you’re underestimating AI.

You can feed it an image. Which is no different than Helmar imagery, based on existing images.

But if you like them. Collect them I guess.

[Republicaninmass]

Nothing is "rare" or "collectible" about a laser printed art card.

Why use the name Helmar? They are not trying to pivot off the tobacco name?




Asking for a fiend...(sic)


Atrempt at Fraud plain and simple.


I don't have to look at their website and claims, just the product and how it's marketed

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[G1911]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Nothing is "rare" or "collectible" about a laser printed art card.

Why use the name Helmar? They are not trying to pivot off the tobacco name?




Asking for a fiend...(sic)


Atrempt at Fraud plain and simple.


I don't have to look at their website and claims, just the product and how it's marketed

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What? What does this have to do with the claim that the maker of these cards is intending to deceive and defraud people?

Each card is generally scarce in that there are only a handful or so, as I understand it. Collectible? Seems that they are, in fact, collectible as they sell of pretty strong prices a lot of the time. I don't collect them, they aren't my thing, but again there is an actual reality in the world outside of what I like and don't like, and my opinions do not change definable reality.

Considering they are putting ads for an imaginary Helmar Brewing product on the back, I'd say obviously not. You won't look at their claims or website, as you slander them with false claims of defrauding people, of course.

[Republicaninmass]

Put the pipe down dude. I think it is Time for your nap

Anyone can waste their money however they like.


Deceiving people using a 100 year old tobacco name for 100 year old baseball players made weekly with limited runs and no date. Claiming they are using a "notable name" since helmer brewing won an award once and call it art.

Unlicensed use of players and copying card designs. Maybe they are public domain, maybe it's illegal use. I'm sure st least ONE.person ONCE thought these were vintage

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[Republicaninmass]

OK did 1 second of research


This is being sold as a "t206"


No date of production listed anywhere

But it ain't a t206, just in the style of one.

Good night

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[G1911]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

OK did 1 second of research


This is being sold as a "t206"


No date of production listed anywhere

But it ain't a t206, just in the style of one.

Good night

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Jesus Christ. So the issuer of the cards is intentionally making their cards to deceive if someone sells a card on eBay without stating the year of production.

By this logic, every single maker of cards ever is intentionally deceiving people. Can we just think for 5 seconds before making ridiculous claims?

[Lucas00]

I've never seen a complaint about somebody buying one. Just people complaining about why they wouldn't. Two opposite camps like everything else in the world. And yes I understand both sides, (I know that's rare)

[RCMcKenzie]

The tea stains rest their case.