1921 Herpolsheimers graded w/o mark

[pete zouras]

Question prompted by LOTG band aid find and to get your holiday juices flowing.
Most if not all come marked. Is such a card w/o a mark likely to have had the mark expertly removed or erased, or are there legitimate unmarked specimens out there? If so, do they command a premium? Happy Thanksgiving in advance, y'all!

[Leon]

I will venture a guess , they all had a mark at one time. Some might have been so light they didn't make an indention and, after erasing, nothing could be seen.
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[Al C.risafulli]

To my (and, I think, everyone else's) knowledge, every one of the known 1921 Herpolsheimers originated from one of two finds: the 2004 find of 69 or 70 cards, or the Band-Aid Box find.

EVERY 1921 Herpolsheimer in either of those two finds had a pencil notation.

The original 69 or 70 cards had a price written in pencil on the reverse. All of those cards that were originally graded either had a low grade from SGC, or a higher grade with an MK qualifier from PSA.

Eventually some of those cards had the pencil removed, and were regraded in higher-grade holders.

This new 39-card find also had pencil notations on the reverse, but they were a DIFFERENT kind of notation - each of these (including the Ruth, which didn't receive a qualifier from PSA) has the faded marking of what appears to be a card number on the bottom of the reverse (i.e. "No. 104"). Those marks are faded and in some cases difficult to see, but they're there.

-Al

[Rhotchkiss]

This is one of those rare cases where writing on a card is desired.

And, the Herpolsheimers in LOTG are so cool.

[Brian Van Horn]

Still overjoyed to not bid on the lots. I refer back to my story at the old Robert Morris show in Moon Township in Pittsburgh in May 1999. There, a gentleman who had the first cards from this "collection" waived his hand over the cards in the case and stated the prices on the back of the cards were because they were not original.

[molenick]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Still overjoyed to not bid on the lots. I refer back to my story at the old Robert Morris show in Moon Township in Pittsburgh in May 1999. There, a gentleman who had the first cards from this "collection" waived his hand over the cards in the case and stated the prices on the back of the cards were because they were not original.

I am not sure what to make of this post. Are you saying that 1921 Herpolsheimers were known in 1999 (before the 2004 find, which supposedly is when they were first discovered)? And that find or the LOTG find (or both) are not original cards?

[theshowandme]

If I read 272 posts, am I going to be convinced that these cards are real or fake?

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

If I read 272 posts, am I going to be convinced that these cards are real or fake?

Save your time. Both sides will be holding their ground.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Save your time. Both sides will be holding their ground.

Brian it seems that you have your stance & the rest of the world thinks otherwise

[Snapolit1]

I have a feeling I will be reading updates to this thread in 30 years in a senior care facility somewhere. Nurse yelling at me to put the phone down.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I have a feeling I will be reading updates to this thread in 30 years in a senior care facility somewhere. Nurse yelling at me to put the phone down.

Thank you for covering the next batches.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

If I read 272 posts, am I going to be convinced that these cards are real or fake?

They were conclusively proven real through new genuine search as a result of a complete moron making shit up and lying.

[theshowandme]

Moderated debate at the Net54 dinner in Cleveland

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Moderated debate at the Net54 dinner in Cleveland

Nope. I have a habit. No matter where the show is whether it be Chicago, Cleveland, Atlantic City and going back for this one......Baltimore in 2012, when I travel to the show, whether by plane (Chicago once) or by car (all the rest but did not go to Chicago this year) I go to the National and come back to sleep in my own bed the same evening.

Sorry to cost the lawyers cross-examination.

Still, feel free to look back on my posts here and in 2004 and try to find a contradiction. Good luck. There is better money betting on the Pirates winning a world series under Bob Nutting's ownership.