What is the RAREST Pre War COMPLETE PSA graded set??

[whiteymet]

Hi Gang:

Wondering if there is any way to see something I have always thought about.

What is the rarest COMPLETE set in the PSA registry based on the fewest individual cards graded for that set.

Say for instance there is someone who has a complete set that has 75 cards in it. However looking at the POP report if you subtract the 75 cards from the guys complete set there are only, say for example, 8 other cards from that set that have been graded. I'd say that is a pretty rare set.

Anyone have knowledge of how to research something like this? Or know any complete sets you want to "nominate". If so what is the set and how many other cards have been graded?

[Casey2296]

With those parameters I would say the T206 524 has to be up there.

[Leon]

Not pertaining to a registry, because I couldn't care less about them, but...

Jim Blumenthal (rip) finished a N167 baseball set. Not sure another one was complete before that but there might have been.

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[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by Leon

Not pertaining to a registry, because I couldn't care less about them, but...

Jim Blumenthal (rip) finished a N167 baseball set. Not sure another one was complete before that but there might have been.

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Leon:

I too could care about the registry, but that is the only thing we have as a "record" to know what is out there

I am not asking about multiple complete sets.

Using your mention of Jim's N167 complete set, I am asking how many other N167's have been graded not counting his cards.

Looking for a complete set with the fewest OTHER cards from that set that have been graded.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

With those parameters I would say the T206 524 has to be up there.

no way! something like a t215 pirate set(no known complete sets) or some other obscure set with a low overall pop. overall pop of T206 is monstrous!

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

no way! something like a t215 pirate set(no known complete sets) or some other obscure set with a low overall pop. overall pop of T206 is monstrous!

The parameters are a complete set in the PSA registry. If we're going complete set rarity in general there are several including a complete set of Rose postcards as well as the T215 Pirate you mentioned.

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

no way! something like a t215 pirate set(no known complete sets) or some other obscure set with a low overall pop. overall pop of T206 is monstrous!

Pete:

If there are no T215 Pirate COMPLETE sets, that does not meet my parameters.

I am looking for a complete set with the fewest other cards from that set

[x2drich2000]

Jim's N167 set came to my mind first as well. Was his set completely graded? It definitely wasn't completely PSA graded. PSA has only graded 15 N167s total and only 7 different players.

[glchen]

Well, I know that this set is definitely not the rarest complete set, but I have a W519 Type 1 set here: Link, where for some of the cards, there are only a total population of 3, which are graded by PSA. However, the reason isn't that these cards are rare, it's more that they aren't worth that much, so no one bothers to get them graded.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

no way! something like a t215 pirate set(no known complete sets) or some other obscure set with a low overall pop. overall pop of T206 is monstrous!

I think there is a complete T215 Pirate set owned by Rich, he bought it as the Mastro live auction in Cleveland about 15 years ago.

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

I think there is a complete T215 Pirate set owned by Rich, he bought it as the Mastro live auction in Cleveland about 15 years ago.

I hope Rich does have a complete set. But there is none listed in the PSA registry. There are only 11 cards from the set in the POP report. Certainly if there were to be a complete set graded and on the registry this would be the type of info I am looking for. I would bet 11 would be hard to top.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

I hope Rich does have a complete set. But there is none listed in the PSA registry. There are only 11 cards from the set in the POP report. Certainly if there were to be a complete set graded and on the registry this would be the type of info I am looking for. I would bet 11 would be hard to top.

i was pretty sure someone was 1 card away from completion...I dunno?

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

I hope Rich does have a complete set. But there is none listed in the PSA registry. There are only 11 cards from the set in the POP report. Certainly if there were to be a complete set graded and on the registry this would be the type of info I am looking for. I would bet 11 would be hard to top.

I don't think Rich is a PSA registry kind of person. And I think but could be wrong he most likely has the most complete N172 set.

[steve B]

The T49 set which has a baseball card among the 20 would be a good example.
There's one known complete set.
And as far as I know no cards graded between PSA and SGC

Three of the cards weren't even known until 2011, about a century after they were probably issued.

[G1911]

If we’re counting non-sports like T49 it’s probably one of those; very few of even the tough sets get submitted.

Not a set together anymore today, but were the Alleghenies submitted all together when they were found? I don’t recall when/the story of that issue’s discovery.

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

With those parameters I would say the T206 524 has to be up there.

I think you missed my point or I did not explain properly.

I would think the T206 set would be the exact oppostie of what I am asking. There are TONS of individual cards from the T206 set that have been graded.

I asked about a complete set someone has that then has the fewest individual cards graded for that set

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

I think you missed my point or I did not explain properly.

I would think the T206 set would be the exact oppostie of what I am asking. There are TONS of individual cards from the T206 set that have been graded.

I asked about a complete set someone has that then has the fewest individual cards graded for that set

Ah, I did miss your point.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

I think you missed my point or I did not explain properly.

I would think the T206 set would be the exact opposite of what I am asking. There are TONS of individual cards from the T206 set that have been graded.

I asked about a complete set someone has that then has the fewest individual cards graded for that set

The 1930 Frank H. Fleer Whiz Bang set might qualify. It is thought the set is comprised of 16 cards, 3 of which are baseball players (Goslin, Grove & Hartnett). The cards originally surfaced in the 2009 REA auction.

I requested PSA add the set to the registry and supplied them with info on the set including the original REA auction listing. They approved the set but it is not listed yet. I have not sent in my cards to be graded; to my knowledge, none are graded at PSA or SGC.

They are 15 baseball cards known of the 3 players with a distribution of 5 for Gosling, 6 for Grove and 4 for Hartnett.

[BeanTown]

For pre war postcards I would say

1908-09 Rose
1935 Pebble Beach
1923 Exhibits

[steve B]

I think it's a bit of a stretch to consider H804s as baseball cards.
The number is a catchall for baseball themed trade cards. With a few exceptions they were sold as generic blank cards, and the merchant buying them would have their company info printed or rubber stamped on the ones they bought.

Typically they were sold by the hundred, which for a set of 4-5 would be a total of 20-25 each for a particular business. so it's not surprising if some are very uncommon. Some like Merchants Gargling Oil are very common. It's also likely there are several that don't even exist anymore.

They don't generally depict actual players, but general comical (depending on your sense of humor) baseball scenes.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by steve B

I think it's a bit of a stretch to consider H804s as baseball cards.
The number is a catchall for baseball themed trade cards. With a few exceptions they were sold as generic blank cards, and the merchant buying them would have their company info printed or rubber stamped on the ones they bought.

Typically they were sold by the hundred, which for a set of 4-5 would be a total of 20-25 each for a particular business. so it's not surprising if some are very uncommon. Some like Merchants Gargling Oil are very common. It's also likely there are several that don't even exist anymore.

They don't generally depict actual players, but general comical (depending on your sense of humor) baseball scenes.

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