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03-15-2021, 10:31 PM
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Pre-war Non-HOFers Worth Collecting
Shawn Gallagher’s post earlier tonight got me thinking about my pre-war wish list. I’ve expanded beyond HOFers to include other notable players. Who makes the wish list is sort of arbitrary but I do try to follow some guidelines. I like to deploy the Mattingly / Jackson method. Don Mattingly and Bo Jackson didnt sniff the Hall, but my card collection wouldn’t be complete without them. So, I look to add players like them. Perennial league leaders in major categories, or the equivalent of multiple all star appearances. The top performers at their position during their playing days. Or those like Bo who had that extra undefinable something. Anyway, I already have a very long list of non-HOF who I want in my collection, but who am I missing? Who should I know about but don’t. Here is my list:
Cupid Childs Dave Orr Harry Stovey Jim Devlin Paul Hines Pete Browning Silver King Tip O’Neil Kid Gleason Jack Glasscock Bob Caruthers Roy Thomas Joe Jackson Stuffy McGinnis Art Fletcher Bill Bradley Bill Dahlen Jack Barry Chick Gandil Chief Bender Chief Meyers Eddie Cicotte Wildfire Schulte Fred Merkle Gavvy Cravath Hal Chase Harry Davis Harry Lumley Larry Doyle Sherry Magee Mike Donlin Buck Weaver Jake Daubert Hippo Vaughn Babe Adams Bob Shawkey Roger Peckinpaugh Smoky Joe Wood Wally Schang Slim Sallee Jim Thorpe Baby Doll Jacobson Dave Bancroft Happy Felsch Lefty Williams Wally Pipp Cy Williams Dutch Leonard Bob Meusel Eddie Rommel George Burns Irish Meusel Ken Williams Urban Shocker Buzz Arlett Babe Herman Bob O’Farrell Firpo Marberry Frank Crosetti Jo-Jo Moore Lefty O’Doul Lon Warneke Moe Berg Riggs Stevenson Tommy Bridges Wally Berger Dixie Walker Pepper Martin Red Rolfe Schoolboy Rowe Stan Hack Doc Cramer Dolph Camilli Mel Harder Ripper Collins Rudy York Dizzy Trout Mort Cooper Paul Dean Spud Chandler Bob Johnson Bucky Walters Charlie Keller Dom DiMaggio Dutch Leonard Eddie Miller Frank McCormick Frankie Hayes George McQuinn Harlond Clift Johnny Vander Meer Paul Derringer Tommy Heinrich Vince DiMaggio 
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03-15-2021, 10:44 PM
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2 more
Two more quirky names..... Ten Million and Louis Sockalexis (sp?) .
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03-15-2021, 10:50 PM
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I'd add Jack Quinn, I always try to pick his cards up since he's a common with a great career and history. Pitched until age 49, and outperformed the league ERA all the way through his age 48 season. Appeared in T205/T206/T207 and 1933 Goudey as an active MLB player (unlike Lajoie, Speaker and Collins), won 249 games with a 114 career ERA+. Not a HOFer, but a consistently good and extremely long career.
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03-15-2021, 10:54 PM
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Robert Henry Bescher (February 25, 1884 – November 29, 1942) was a baseball outfielder who played 11 seasons in the major leagues. Born in London, Ohio, he played his best seasons with the Cincinnati Reds, and was one of the National League's best base stealers during his time.
The switch-hitting Bescher played 5 seasons with Cincy, and established himself as a dangerous player on the basepaths with the Reds. He led the NL in stolen bases for four consecutive years from 1909 to 1912, and his 81 stolen bases in 1911 set a league record which was not broken for over 50 years. Outside of stolen bases, he was the NL leader in runs in 1912, and was the NL leader in walks in 1913. Also in 1912, he hit a career-best .282 and finished 5th in voting for the Chalmers Award, a forerunner to the modern MVP award.
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03-15-2021, 10:56 PM
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I've found a nice cutoff to be players who reached WAR 20, either Fangraphs or or Baseball Reference, and that's defined my sets for the period before I started watching baseball. That certainly includes pre-war.
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03-15-2021, 10:56 PM
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Great list. Benders in the Hall, switch him out for Dummy Hoy.
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03-15-2021, 10:56 PM
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I read through your list and you have some really great players here.. how about Jimmy Sheckard and Big Ed Reulbach ?
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03-15-2021, 11:05 PM
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03-16-2021, 05:46 AM
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good list. early Giants, A's, Cubs, White Sox, Yankees, later Reds... good themes. in addition to many of those names, I reflexibly collect Heinie Groh and Hank Gowdy. I also add Fred Snodgrass if he comes up. He was once almost as infamous as Merkle.
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03-16-2021, 06:03 AM
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As a Tiger fan, might I suggest Bobby Veach, probably the best Tiger not in the Hall of Fame.
From SABR: As the clean-up hitter on one of the strongest offensive teams of his day, Bobby Veach was one of the truly great RBI men of the late Deadball Era, easily leading the major leagues in runs driven in over the twelve years, 1913 to 1924, that he was a full time player. Veach drove in over 100 runs in a season six times, hit 30 or more doubles eight times and smacked ten or more triples ten years in a row. In all, Veach played for 14 major league seasons and hit .300 or better ten times, finishing with a lifetime .310 batting average.
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03-16-2021, 01:29 PM
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A few more Clevelanders!
I like the addition of Mel Harder. I would also consider pitcher George Uhle and outfielder Charlie Jamieson. Uhle pitched to 200 wins in 17 seasons with Cleveland, Detroit, and New York. Jamieson had a lifetime .303 BA over 18 seasons with Cleveland, Washington, and Philadelphia. Also consider adding Ray Chapman to the list.
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03-16-2021, 06:28 AM
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Colby Jack Coombs, Deacon McGuire and Deacon Phillippe are 3 of my favorite 4 non-HOFers to collect (Stovey being my 4th, already on your list).
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Collection on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/139478047@N03/albums Last edited by tiger8mush; 03-16-2021 at 06:59 AM. Reason: pics
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03-25-2021, 07:41 AM
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I agree with Chief Meyers..
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03-28-2021, 09:29 PM
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Deacon Phillippe
Born in 1872, Deacon Phillippe grew up in the Dakota Territory outside the reach of pro talent evaluators. Undiscovered until after his family moved to Minnesota, Phillippe was almost 27 by the time he threw his first big league pitch. He reeled off 5 straight 20-win seasons to start his career.
To me he falls below Cooperstown line but he still had one heck of a career. Phillippe owns the the lowest lifetime walks-per-nine mark from 60'6". He posted six 20-win seasons, a .634 winning percentage, 242 complete games, and 189 big-league wins. He won the first World Series game in baseball history. Phillippe's 44 innings, 5 complete games, and three wins in the '03 tilt have yet to be topped. Had he broken in a few years earlier, he'd probably be in the Hall of Fame. Here's a link to cool story about him. There's an example of Pillippe's signature and a ball signed by 6 guys who played in the first World Series.
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03-30-2021, 07:35 AM
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Didn't see him in here
How about Lave Cross....21 Seasons played 2651H (78th best)
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