Hof

[conor912]

I don’t know what I’m more surprised by, Walker getting in or the fact that it’s been 5 years since Jeter retired. Where that half a decade went, I have no idea.

[mattsey9]

Originally Posted by conor912

I don’t know what I’m more surprised by, Walker getting in or the fact that it’s been 5 years since Jeter retired. Where that half a decade went, I have no idea.

Delighted for Walker. Well deserved.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by mattsey9

Delighted for Walker. Well deserved.

he'll be hurt by the July induction ceremony, guaranteed.

[ejharrington]

I just booked my hotel in Cooperstown for 2021 when Schilling finally gets his deserved place among the immortals.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

I just booked my hotel in Cooperstown for 2021 when Schilling finally gets his deserved place among the immortals.

Ha! I wouldn't hold your breath if I was you......

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by conor912

I don’t know what I’m more surprised by, Walker getting in or the fact that it’s been 5 years since Jeter retired. Where that half a decade went, I have no idea.

i actually feel like jeter has been gone for 10 years..

[Stampsfan]

So happy to see Walker get in. A full five tool player.
I once saw him throw out Tony Fernandez from right field on a ground out.

Canada is happy, and so are us Expos fans. Congrats.

[triwak]

Got 'em!! (Including the Frick Award winner).

(Sorry for the sideways pics. No idea why that happened)?

[AGuinness]

Originally Posted by conor912

I don’t know what I’m more surprised by, Walker getting in or the fact that it’s been 5 years since Jeter retired. Where that half a decade went, I have no idea.

Yeah, and it means that Walker has been retired for 15 years now... that seems even crazier to me!

[CMIZ5290]

How in the Hell is Dale Murphy not in? Back to back MVP's for a shitty Braves team.....How many back to back MVPs in the N.L. have there been anyway? Mike Schmidt? Bonds...

[bmattioli]

2,160 career hits and 383 HR's gets you in now for a outfielder/1st baseman..

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bmattioli

2,160 career hits and 383 HR's gets you in now for a outfielder/1st baseman..

Unless you have 2,490 hits and 493 HRs and your name is Fred McGriff.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

How in the Hell is Dale Murphy not in? Back to back MVP's for a shitty Braves team.....How many back to back MVPs in the N.L. have there been anyway? Mike Schmidt? Bonds...

His run as a top player was way too short. And he was washed up at 32.

[insidethewrapper]

Walker 76.6% after 10 years
Jeter. 99.7% in first year

Walker Bave.313 OBP .400 SLG .565 OPS .965 War (baseball Ref 72.7)
Jeter Bave.310 OBP .377 SLG .440 OPS .817 War (baseball Red 72.4 )

[jimmer77]

Walker is not a HOF'er, good player but that's not what the intention of the HOF is. If he is in then guys like Mattingly, McGriff and if really look at the overall #'s Paul Konerko was "better".

[Huck]

Originally Posted by jimmer77

Walker is not a HOF'er, good player but that's not what the intention of the HOF is. If he is in then guys like Mattingly, McGriff and if really look at the overall #'s Paul Konerko was "better".

Well over a decade ago, a member on another board said "It is not the hall of of the greatest players, it is the hall of the very good". I am okay with that and Murphy should be there.

[riggs336]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

How in the Hell is Dale Murphy not in? Back to back MVP's for a shitty Braves team.....How many back to back MVPs in the N.L. have there been anyway? Mike Schmidt? Bonds...

Banks, Morgan, Pujols.

[sreader3]

I suppose Larry Walker got to Cooperstown because of advanced stats. He had a high career WAR (72.7) due in part to a very high career on-base percentage (.400). Mattingly, McGriff and Murphy pale in terms of career WAR and OBP.

Not saying advanced stats should control. It's the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Stats. Maybe Mattingly, Murphy, Gil Hodges and Steve Garvey should be in instead.

The focus on advanced stats may help Bill Dahlen become the next prewar Hall of Famer. Look for demand for his tough T206 subjects to spike if that happens.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by sreader3

I suppose Larry Walker got to Cooperstown because of advanced stats. He had a high career WAR (72.7) due in part to a very high career on-base percentage (.400). Mattingly, McGriff and Murphy pale in terms of career WAR and OBP.

Not saying advanced stats should control. It's the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Stats. Maybe Mattingly, Murphy, Gil Hodges and Steve Garvey should be in instead.

The focus on advanced stats may help Bill Dahlen become the next prewar Hall of Famer. Look for demand for his tough T206 subjects to spike if that happens.

Dahlen should have been elected years ago, irrespective of whether or not you agree with advanced stats. He was a no-brainer 60+ years ago. Somehow he got lost in the HOF vote. That needs to be fixed, even if it is way after the fact.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by sreader3

I suppose Larry Walker got to Cooperstown because of advanced stats. He had a high career WAR (72.7) due in part to a very high career on-base percentage (.400). Mattingly, McGriff and Murphy pale in terms of career WAR and OBP.

Not saying advanced stats should control. It's the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Stats. Maybe Mattingly, Murphy, Gil Hodges and Steve Garvey should be in instead.

The focus on advanced stats may help Bill Dahlen become the next prewar Hall of Famer. Look for demand for his tough T206 subjects to spike if that happens.

Scot, I used to agree with you about Dahlen, but I now think that ship has sailed....Having said that, even if somehow he got in, how in the World could his Brooklyn card go any higher? It is already miles and miles ahead of most HOFers.....

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

How in the Hell is Dale Murphy not in? Back to back MVP's for a shitty Braves team....

The Braves weren't shitty when Murphy won those MVPs. They won the NL West in 1982 and finished three games behind the Dodgers in 1983.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

The Braves weren't shitty when Murphy won those MVPs. They won the NL West in 1982 and finished three games behind the Dodgers in 1983.

And yet they didn't even win 90 games either season....This is my point exactly. Without Murphy, this team wouldn't have won 70 games. I wonder what the team records are for players that have won back to back MVPs? I bet they are better than Murphy's.....

[packs]

I think the only pre-war player really on the outside looking in is Harry Stovey. Can't think of any good reasons why he wouldn't be in except some bias against the AA, which someone in 2020 could not realistically have.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

And yet they didn't even win 90 games either season....This is my point exactly. Without Murphy, this team wouldn't have won 70 games. I wonder what the team records are for players that have won back to back MVPs? I bet they are better than Murphy's.....

Ernie Banks won back to back MVPs for Cubs teams that had losing records both years. In fact, I think Banks was the first player to be MVP for a losing team.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

How in the Hell is Dale Murphy not in? Back to back MVP's for a shitty Braves team.....How many back to back MVPs in the N.L. have there been anyway? Mike Schmidt? Bonds...

I think a lot of it has to do with Skip Caray's horrible announcing voice, and the fact that every Braves game was televised on TBS. I honestly cannot think about Murphy without hearing that voice.

Seriously though, I agree that Murphy (and Hodges) are the two "outsiders" who most belong in the Hall.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I think a lot of it has to do with Skip Caray's horrible announcing voice, and the fact that every Braves game was televised on TBS. I honestly cannot think about Murphy without hearing that voice.

Seriously though, I agree that Murphy (and Hodges) are the two "outsiders" who most belong in the Hall.

I would list the outsiders who belong in the Hall to be:

Dick Allen
Bob Johnson
Bill Dahlen
Lou Whitaker
Bobby Grich
Curt Schilling
Rick Reuschel
Kevin Brown


I would also make a strong case for:

Dwight Evans
Graig Nettles
Luis Tiant
David Cone
Bret Saberhagen
Dave Stieb
Reggie Smith
Buddy Bell
Andruw Jones

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by conor912

I don’t know what I’m more surprised by, Walker getting in or the fact that it’s been 5 years since Jeter retired. Where that half a decade went, I have no idea.

Yeah, my son went from middle school to a freshman in college. Were did it go?