Will SGC Over Take PSA

[Johnny630]

In lieu of all the uncovered Altered Vintage Cards, the largest number being in PSA Slabs, will SGC come out of this as the number 1 TPG or Will PSA still Stay On Top ?

What’s everyone’s thoughts on this ?

[swarmee]

Hmmm... what, a 2% market share company taking over a 60% market share company? Are you really serious? And a company that has a great online presence versus one whose Set Registry is "Coming Monday"...
I vote no.

[sycks22]

I honestly don't think this scandal will hurt their business all that much. PSA cards will forever bring a premium over SGC.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by sycks22

I honestly don't think this scandal will hurt their business all that much. PSA cards will forever bring a premium over SGC.

+1, huge premium....

[Leon]

SGC has a great opportunity. I wish they would seize it
I feel they are more consistent even though I don't always agree with them.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Leon

SGC has a great opportunity. I wish they would seize it
I feel they are more consistent even though I don't always agree with them.

I agree it’s a great opportunity for them, I don’t think they’ll be able to grasp it.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Leon

SGC has a great opportunity. I wish they would seize it
I feel they are more consistent even though I don't always agree with them.

This...

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

In lieu of all the uncovered Altered Vintage Cards, the largest number being in PSA Slabs, will SGC come out of this as the number 1 TPG or Will PSA still Stay On Top ?

What’s everyone’s thoughts on this ?

Here are my thoughts:

This notion that there are fewer altered cards sitting inside SGC holders because their graders are better is false. SGC is just not as targeted as much as PSA is. PSA cards sell for more and this is the reason why trimmers want their cards in PSA holders. BODA understands this and they have probably spent more time looking at PSA graded cards.

This scandal is not enough for SGC to take PSA's crown. A lot more things would have to take place in order for that to happen. For example, PSA would have to get sued left right and center, collectors would have to turn on them, the company's stock would have to drop massively, SGC would have to develop an amazing technology that allows their graders to catch trimmed cards, etc. Right now, I just can't see any of that happening.

[oldjudge]

LOL, No

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

LOL, No

This.

[Fred]

Somehow SGC gaining market share that surpasses PSA seems a bit unlikely. A lot of vintage hobbyist think the world of SGC, however PSA is just a monster in comparison.

It would be interesting to know what the market share is between SGC and PSA for vintage card grading.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

It doesn't help SGC that they seem to step on their, um, parts, every opportunity they get to nibble into PSA's market share. They fail to capitalize on opportunities a LOT.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Here are my thoughts:

This notion that there are fewer altered cards sitting inside SGC holders because their graders are better is false. SGC is just not as targeted as much as PSA is. PSA cards sell for more and this is the reason why trimmers want their cards in PSA holders. BODA understands this and they have probably spent more time looking at PSA graded cards.

This scandal is not enough for SGC to take PSA's crown. A lot more things would have to take place in order for that to happen. For example, PSA would have to get sued left right and center, collectors would have to turn on them, the company's stock would have to drop massively, SGC would have to develop an amazing technology that allows their graders to catch trimmed cards, etc. Right now, I just can't see any of that happening.

Boda has found altered cards in all 3 TPG's holders.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by rats60

Boda has found altered cards in all 3 TPG's holders.

Right, but majority of them are inside PSA holders. This is why the OP started this thread.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

In lieu of all the uncovered Altered Vintage Cards, the largest number being in PSA Slabs, will SGC come out of this as the number 1 TPG or Will PSA still Stay On Top ?

What’s everyone’s thoughts on this ?

Fat chance of this happening! SGC doesn't have the management leadership to achieve this.

The best chance I can see for diminishing PSA's huge lead is for Beckett and SGC to combine, with the SGC Division of the combined company specializing solely in vintage cards (say pre-1950 or pre-1980).

[frankbmd]

If SGC hired Joe Orlando, would that make a difference in anyone’s opinion?





Caution: This is a hypothetical. I have no insider information, and I am unable to whistle.

[Johnny630]

SGC cards are selling stronger and stronger

[insidethewrapper]

Hmmm... what, a 2% market share company taking over a 60% market share company?

Who has the other 38 % market share ???
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[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

hmmm... What, a 2% market share company taking over a 60% market share company?

Who has the other 38 % market share ???
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PRO and GEM

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

Hmmm... what, a 2% market share company taking over a 60% market share company?

Who has the other 38 % market share ???
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I was making estimates, but I can assure you Beckett dwarfs SGC.

Current eBay listings with the following keywords: 1,052K total hits
BGS, BVG, BCCG: 269K (25%)
PSA: 727K (69%)
SGC: 56K (5%)
I realize the results are somewhat skewed because people will name drop PSA more often than the other companies, but it loosely follows my guesstimates.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

SGC cards are selling stronger and stronger

Johnny, why don't you check out resale prices between the two.....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

SGC cards are selling stronger and stronger

Not mine.

[Griffins]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

If SGC hired Joe Orlando, would that make a difference in anyone’s opinion?

Both companies would improve.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Griffins

Both companies would improve.

That is funny.

[Frank A]

I continue to watch many of the auction house prices, and in many more cases than before SGC is outselling PSA graded cards. No, I don't believe they will overtake them, but I do believe that SGC cards will have a large rise in prices.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Fat chance of this happening! SGC doesn't have the management leadership to achieve this.

The best chance I can see for diminishing PSA's huge lead is for Beckett and SGC to combine, with the SGC Division of the combined company specializing solely in vintage cards (say pre-1950 or pre-1980).

The bold part.

My opinion has always been SGC is run/staffed by a bunch of serious pot heads. They do just enough to get by and do a really good job at the littl they do. There is no way they are going to do something that might cause them to do any more work that they absolutely have to. For full disclosure they are by far my favorite grading company.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by bnorth

They do just enough to get by and do a really good job at the littl they do.

Well, not really.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by bnorth

The bold part.

My opinion has always been SGC is run/staffed by a bunch of serious pot heads. They do just enough to get by and do a really good job at the littl they do. There is no way they are going to do something that might cause them to do any more work that they absolutely have to. For full disclosure they are by far my favorite grading company.

Hey, that's my business plan as well and it's worked out pretty well for me. When I told my friend who owns his own medical clinic I was bringing in 150K for 10 hours a week, he told me to get out there and WORK fatso. He was working 60 per week and making about 400 hated his life and I loved mine.

10 years later, I'm up to nearly 30 hours per week and you know what? Work is overrated.

[The Nasty Nati]

Not if SGC continues to make slabs with large numerical grade numbers. Who are they trying to appeal to? 80 year olds with terrible eye sight. Always loved their customer service, the black cases, but the massive grades are such an eye sore. I’ve personally stopped submitting to them as a result.

That and they need to fix their Pop Report...it’s been a work in progress for over 2 years. That’s way too long. I’m pulling for them though.

[rdwyer]

Isn't their turnaround time a year? If they bought out PSA, then it would be a 5 year turnaround.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

Not if SGC continues to make slabs with large numerical grade numbers. Who are they trying to appeal to? 80 year olds with terrible eye sight. Always loved their customer service, the black cases, but the massive grades are such an eye sore. I’ve personally stopped submitting to them as a result.

That and they need to fix their Pop Report...it’s been a work in progress for over 2 years. That’s way too long. I’m pulling for them though.

The large and singular grades now were an effort to fix the mistake of the confusing dual grade system that they used for years with the 100 point scale. (i.e. a 7 NM is also an "84", and 8 NM-MT is an "88" and so on and so forth). So yeah, the grades are large, but that was kind of the point to make things simpler. I'd give them a break there. Are large numerical grades really an eyesore over PSA's tired red folder labels? At least an equal argument could be made over the hokey look there, and some of the old slabs before they had holograms or lighthouse insignia had flips that would twist and wrinkle inside the slabs - not very professional at all.

For my money, I will take SGC for their black slab inserts, overall nicer slabs, and superior customer service and turnaround times. I think so much of the actual look is just perception and preference - oh, BTW - you will see a lot fewer postwar cards "bounce around" in their slabs with the SGC insert than they do in PSA's with their rail system. Older vintage - mainly 1950's and earlier - do fine in PSA slabs, but they have yet to figure out the thickness thing for many 1970's and later issues. This has always driven me nuts. No, unless you go play football with a PSA slab you aren't really apt to damage anything noticeably - but the cards that do move inside the slabs are annoying, to me at least.

Let the large numerical grades grow on you. I have no problems with them whatsoever.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Hey, that's my business plan as well and it's worked out pretty well for me. When I told my friend who owns his own medical clinic I was bringing in 150K for 10 hours a week, he told me to get out there and WORK fatso. He was working 60 per week and making about 400 hated his life and I loved mine.

10 years later, I'm up to nearly 30 hours per week and you know what? Work is overrated.

What do you do?

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Fat chance of this happening! SGC doesn't have the management leadership to achieve this.

The best chance I can see for diminishing PSA's huge lead is for Beckett and SGC to combine, with the SGC Division of the combined company specializing solely in vintage cards (say pre-1950 or pre-1980).

What a great idea and perhaps the only viable way to threaten PSA's dominance.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

In lieu of all the uncovered Altered Vintage Cards, the largest number being in PSA Slabs, will SGC come out of this as the number 1 TPG or Will PSA still Stay On Top ?

What’s everyone’s thoughts on this ?

Really?????