Possible solution!

[leaflover]

In the near future, all cards submitted to TPGs if found altered or restored in any way will have an "A" stamped on the back of the card. Code letters or numbers could also be added noting the alteration. The card would then be holdered with a cert.#.

Submitters would not have the option of having "bad" cards simply returned so they could be resubmitted until they passed. Now altered cards are going from one HA to another until sold. With the "stamp" buyers at least would know what they are getting and adjust bids according.

I believe something of this sort would help in eliminating fraud that exists in the hobby.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by leaflover

In the near future, all cards submitted to TPGs if found altered or restored in any way will have an "A" stamped on the back of the card. Code letters or numbers could also be added noting the alteration. The card would then be holdered with a cert.#.

Submitters would not have the option of having "bad" cards simply returned so they could be resubmitted until they passed. Now altered cards are going from one HA to another until sold. With the "stamp" buyers at least would know what they are getting and adjust bids according.

I believe something of this sort would help in eliminating fraud that exists in the hobby.

unless of course...the stamp could be removed?

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

unless of course...the stamp could be removed?

if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

haha...obamacare for cards.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

haha...obamacare for cards.

Maybe even institute one of those death panels, where altered cards are put out of their misery.

[steve B]

Stamps have been marked on the back by experts for a very long time. It's more of a thing in Europe than the US, where we've had certificates for nearly as long.

German and Spanish expertisers will mark forgeries - usually with the word "false" in whatever language they use.

But most of Europe is moving away from marking the stamps on the back, and towards certificates. Modern ones have a photo of the item on the certificate, which isn't perfect.

The question that arises is what to do with an item that is determined to be fake or altered, but later can be proven to be good? It's a tricky thing no matter how you look at it.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by steve B

German and Spanish expertisers will mark forgeries - usually with the word "false" in whatever language they use.

Great idea. Now I can tell everyone that I have a faux Wagner.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by leaflover

In the near future, all cards submitted to TPGs if found altered or restored in any way will have an "A" stamped on the back of the card. Code letters or numbers could also be added noting the alteration. The card would then be holdered with a cert.#.

Submitters would not have the option of having "bad" cards simply returned so they could be resubmitted until they passed. Now altered cards are going from one HA to another until sold. With the "stamp" buyers at least would know what they are getting and adjust bids according.

I believe something of this sort would help in eliminating fraud that exists in the hobby.

I don't like this idea. Here's why. I've heard of people pulling cards directly from packs, sending them in to be graded and coming back as EOT. Cards that couldn't have possibly been trimmed are labeled as such. So, what's to keep PSA from stamping a card with an A when indeed it was not altered? Heck, they can't even identify altered cards now.

[brianp-beme]

Of course this stamped letter should be scarlet in color to indicate 'Adulterated'

Brian

[cardsnstuff]

I like the idea, but I agree, maybe on short/EOT, (unless clear proof of trimming} they simply mark short or Not size (N9) or whatever they call it and for all practical purposes it would remove those cards from circulation.

[drcy]

The solution is to make the penalty for deceptively altering a card so hideous and gruesome that the potential perpetrator gets PTSD just thinking about it.

Other potentially useful techniques were used Clockwork Orange

[icollectDCsports]

A card found to be altered should be further altered with an inked-on handlebar mustache. And aviator shades.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by leaflover

In the near future, all cards submitted to TPGs if found altered or restored in any way will have an "A" stamped on the back of the card. Code letters or numbers could also be added noting the alteration. The card would then be holdered with a cert.#.

Submitters would not have the option of having "bad" cards simply returned so they could be resubmitted until they passed. Now altered cards are going from one HA to another until sold. With the "stamp" buyers at least would know what they are getting and adjust bids according.

I believe something of this sort would help in eliminating fraud that exists in the hobby.

I have news for you: good cards get rejected all the time. Remember, all graders have different opinions, but only one person is going to examine your card. If he thinks it is altered, then he'll reject it, however, that doesn't mean the grader sitting across the table from him would do the same.

Oh, and if somebody were to stamp my card, I would drop-kick him.

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