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Possible solution!
In the near future, all cards submitted to TPGs if found altered or restored in any way will have an "A" stamped on the back of the card. Code letters or numbers could also be added noting the alteration. The card would then be holdered with a cert.#.
Submitters would not have the option of having "bad" cards simply returned so they could be resubmitted until they passed. Now altered cards are going from one HA to another until sold. With the "stamp" buyers at least would know what they are getting and adjust bids according. I believe something of this sort would help in eliminating fraud that exists in the hobby. |
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Stamps have been marked on the back by experts for a very long time. It's more of a thing in Europe than the US, where we've had certificates for nearly as long.
German and Spanish expertisers will mark forgeries - usually with the word "false" in whatever language they use. But most of Europe is moving away from marking the stamps on the back, and towards certificates. Modern ones have a photo of the item on the certificate, which isn't perfect. The question that arises is what to do with an item that is determined to be fake or altered, but later can be proven to be good? It's a tricky thing no matter how you look at it. |
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The Scartlet Letter
Of course this stamped letter should be scarlet in color to indicate 'Adulterated'
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I like the idea, but I agree, maybe on short/EOT, (unless clear proof of trimming} they simply mark short or Not size (N9) or whatever they call it and for all practical purposes it would remove those cards from circulation.
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The solution is to make the penalty for deceptively altering a card so hideous and gruesome that the potential perpetrator gets PTSD just thinking about it.
Other potentially useful techniques were used Clockwork Orange |
A card found to be altered should be further altered with an inked-on handlebar mustache. And aviator shades.
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The answer is simple -- punish fraudsters. Severely. People commit fraud because they can get away with it, and there are no consequences except getting rich and in many cases adored. We now have a great and perhaps unprecedented opportunity for law enforcement to make a difference. Hopefully they will pursue this aggressively and not let people off the hook with a slap on the wrist.
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That will never work, as doing so could open the TPG to legal action.
One of the 1913 Liberty Head Nickels (there are only five of them), was originally deemed to be a fake; it was later proven to be real. If the TPG who deemed it fake, had marked it as a fake, it would have ruined the coin's value, and the company could have been subjected to serious legal action. I also seem to remember hearing within the last year or so, about an Old Master painting, that was said by several "experts" to be a fake. It was later proven to be authentic. Again, if someone had indelibly marked it as a forgery, its value would have been ruined, and the person who erroneously marked it as fake, could have been sued for millions of dollars. Steve |
If someone defaced my card you can bet that I would be pretty annoyed. An altered card is always accepted by the hobby when graded authentic. There is no reason to guess a person's motivation and deface their card.
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But wait. Then they wouldn't get resubmitted. [Uproarious laughter from fat cats at the PSA boardroom table]
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Why doesn't the hobby collectively agree that high grade pre-war cards are most likely always altered and pay accordingly? We could collectively drive up collector grade cards without questionable alterations and make those cards more desirable.
Wouldn't this be a lot easier to instill in the hobby than some AI grading service? What really is the difference between a PSA 9 and PSA Authentic T206? One was caught as being trimmed and one wasn't seems to be the assumption. Why not make that accepted fact? If you did that you could take the registry out while you were at it. All it takes is refusing to pay more for anything 8 (or whatever grade you want to establish) and above than you would an authentic card. People will stop doctoring cards in collector grade because the collector grade will be more desirable and registries will become obsolete while nobody chases the top tier anymore. |
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Oh, and if somebody were to stamp my card, I would drop-kick him. The End |
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Investors don't generally like uneasiness in what they are investing in. That goes with anything. There is no doubt some investors are not happy and will get out. The collectors will stay and we will be fine. I do think the top registry cards will take a hit on value. How could they not? I don't feel as good today, about all of the PSA 8s, 9s and 10s in our vintage space, as I did before all of the "before" photos have come out. Now when I am looking at those mysteriously high grade cards I am thinking to myself, which of the borders are missing part of them?
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"OK" …. So stamping an "A" on the back of an altered card is not the solution. I understand the many reasons why it won't work. However, I shutter when I read of some members suggesting that the "tainted" cards be confiscated and destroyed. That would be terrible!
Pictured is my recently purchased Virgil Trucks card. This card has perfect image registration, no red eyes, no red lips and no red mustache and that's why I bought it. The card is listed on a WhitmanIII submission and is guilty by association. PWCC has offered me a refund. I refused. It would be tough enjoying the card while it sits in an evidence box. It will be interesting to see how this mess turns out, |
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It will turn out like this ....PSA stronger then ever....GM continues in full force....and PWCC profits even more |
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