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1994 National Autograph Price List
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$80 for an autograph of a currently living athlete should still be unheard of.
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It is. What 90% of people don't understand is that the promoter sets all prices. If the promoter believes 150 people will pay the inflated rate, why should they set a fee that 600 would pay. If the athlete agrees to 800 autographs, the promoter makes his money on the 150 that pay the exorbitant amount and then they get to pocket 650 autographs for free. Or sell them to other dealers at a much lower rate. The good old days were when the promoter was hoping to break even on a guy like Mantle and divided the signing fee by 800 and that was your price. The last time I paid for Mantle at a show it was $20 and the promoter thought they were going to lose money the whole time. Only at the last minute were they able to go table to table and encourage dealers to buy more autographs. $20 and a six pack of beer went a long way back then. Jason
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When Bill Russell was signing autographs at a show in Boston around 1992 or so. They were charging $350.00.
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I have to admit to being one of the people that paid $200 for DiMaggio to sign a ball when he wasn't signing balls and the going rate for flats was $50 for him. I think it was 91 or 92. Mantle was still signing bats and jerseys at that time. This was kind of the beginning of the end. I wanted to get it signed in person and back then you could still get a photo with the guy. I still have the ball and the photo as well as the memories. I think he then proceeded to bark at the person in line behind me. Fun times.
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I can't remember what year it was but I was at a Gloria Rothstein show in White Plains that had Ted Williams, Mantle, and DiMaggio. They were all charging $100 each. I remember thinking that was crazy but I would kill to go back in time now.
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June 1994 and it was $295 per and everything was cataloged and in January of 1995 he returned and signed with Chamberlain... That was the old Boston College High Show run by the Rose brothers.
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Wow! I think that is the first time I have seen a Hall of Famer's price go down. You can now get signed authenticated photos from Bill Russell for under $100.
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I have been saying this for years!! The promoters screw over the retail customer and then hook up other dealers and promoters with the 'backroom' wholesale price. It used to be that everyone paid the same price. But the promoter realized that they make more money this way, and the average customer is will pay it. They used to say that you are paying for the experience of meeting the athlete. Unfortunately, these days only a handful of athletes are even worth meeting. Most are talking on the phone, listening to music, or want extra money for an 'interaction'. Just not worth it in my opinion. I say that getting an item signed at a show is like buying a new car. The minute you walk away from that table, the value of the autograph just depreciated by 25%. Just take the retail price for a signing and divide by 2. That is what the wholesale/backroom price usually will be. |
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The tiered pricing and charging for inscriptions creases me a bit, but collectors were the cause for both. It used to be that the athlete would sign any item for a given fee. Well, then folks started flipping bats and jerseys for more than the fee and tiered pricing was born. While waiting in line for Brooks Robinson the collector in front of me asked Brooks to add, all 16 GG, MVP and HOF years, his lifetime HRs and batting average. I was in shock but Brooks added everything. I knew then it was only a matter of time before inscriptions would be limited or a fee would be added. Mind you some athletes are better than others, but I am not looking for (1) making a friend (2) having an experience. I just want my item signed. I do care how the athlete interacts with children. I am polite I say "Hello" and thank the athlete for coming out. If the athlete is engaging that is just gravy. The only athletes who seemed bothered having to sign autographs were Reggie Jackson, Pete Rose and Ken Griffey Sr.. As they get older Jackson and Rose are getting better, especially Rose. Living athletes who are exceptional, John Montefusco, Bert Blyleven, Jack Morris, Brooks Robinson, Cal Ripken, Lou Brock and Dwight Gooden to name a few. As I said the list of pure tools is small. The collector has the option of paying the going rate or taking a miss. I am have not added Randy Johnson to a HOF piece because I feel the price for an over sized flat is ridiculous. I can live without having RJ on the piece. I doubt I add Piazza either. As a collector I don't care if wholesalers are getting signatures at 1/2 price, they likely are getting generic items signed and are buying in lots of 50-100. I am building a collection, the wholesaler is running a business. Last edited by Huck; 05-19-2016 at 08:08 AM. |
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I could list two dozen active athletes I couldn't hand over $80 quick enough for and that's just for sets I'm working. I've got three consignments over $150 out on ACTIVE players at the moment and that's for IP signatures, not sit down signings. Living? That's a whole different story. I'd pay $500-$700 for a Sadaharu Oh signing at this point.
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At $200-$250 I'd send a pair of cards in. With Koufax, however, you can usually find what need with a little patience. People complain about $250-$300 signing fees for greats, but have no problem turning a $500 RC into a $1200 card.
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I would agree with you there. Unfortunately, his last signing in 2015 was $395 for cards as well as balls. Plus $250 for each inscription. http://www.internetexclusives.com/sa...e-signing.html Mark
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I don't think we will see Koufax under $250 anytime soon. I wish he would do a few public signings and call it a day. I am just glad that he appeared at Tuff-Stuff back in the 90's and I was able to add his signature to my collection.
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Those were the days! I have a hard time shelling out ducats for Randy Johnson or Piazza at close to $200 which is more than I paid for Dimaggio or Mantle combined. If I want Mariano Rivera with the "Enter Sandman" inscription, I would have to drop more iron than what I paid for Ted Williams at his last show! I just keep telling myself that I don't need them all. When I mention to a collecting friend that he does not have this or that player on a piece he quips "I don't have Babe Ruth either." I laugh but it helps keep things in proper perspective.
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Looking at some of the "flat" prices, you'd be hard pressed to get that much today on resale.
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Depends on what the flat is. If you got the 56 Topps Mantle signed for 80 bucks you're doing pretty well today.
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Yaz
I just noticed that Yaz was listed as a guest. What a rarity. He does one public signing a year and it is always in MA.
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I agree about some of the flat prices, but it all depends on what the flat is. Many of those HOFers photos can be had on ebay really cheap, so many of those prices are really a no gain situation.
It's the rise from these prices that makes me wonder why anyone would pay for something generic to be signed at $50 or more. As an example, I looked Juan Marichal. He was $12 then and a recent private signing is $35. A search on ebay show only 3 photos out of about 40 sold for more than $30. Many that sold had PSA certs, which of course, adds more to the cost. I am sure, I could find other examples as well. For me, unless it is a unique item, I will buy one on ebay rather than at a show or signing.
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I am interested in hearing your opinion on the flat price for members of the baseball hall of fame that would be tough to break even on. Perry jumps off the page but who else?
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Adjusted for inflation, they are losses today.
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Bob Feller was always $10.
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The direct enemy of fraud is education. I have been collecting autographs since 1978 and have put a significant amount of time into educating myself about autographs. I have never ever claimed to be an expert, but I do feel very comfortable being able to identify good from bad for many player autographs. Armed with this knowledge, I can very easily sift out 99% of the bad autos on ebay of the ones I am interested in. If you, or anyone else, has not put the time and energy into the education, then it is very easy to be defrauded. I agree with many of your statements about the TPAs, which is why I only use them for items I am about to sell, if the cost of the process is less than the price difference I can get for a certed auto. Obviously, for many of the above players, the items are, for the most part aren't worth it monetarily. I am not against getting autos and shows or through private signings, but only for specific items that I can't buy one of somewhere else. If you need a specific card from a specific set that isn't around, I can def see paying a premium to get it signed. I paid $800 for a Muhammad Ali signing to get this magazine signed. Why? Because there was no other way to get it done. On the other hand, why would anyone pay $395, Koufax's last private signing fee(2015), for a plain Koufax signed ball? You can get good Koufax signed balls on ebay for at least $100 less. Obviously, if you have no idea what Sandy Koufax's sig should look like, you should absolutely not be buying one on ebay, or anywhere else for that matter, except a show/signing. I can't tell you how many Derek Jeter and Mantle balls that a certain member of this board has bought off ebay cheapy simply because people don't know what they are supposed to look like and have no certs. If you choose to limit your autograph collecting to just those items you see signed in person, there is nothing wrong with that. I sleep like a baby and am totally comfortable in my experience and knowledge protecting me from bad autos. Have I ever been burned? Of course, it's a risk that is factored in when you collect autos. It's merely a matter of risk vs benefit. I am willing to accept, what I feel is a small risk, so that I can enjoy a wide range of autos in my collection. You don't feel that having deceased players in your collection is worth the risk. It's just a different way of looking at things. It's not a matter of right or wrong.
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